| By Jason A. Churchill |  | By 06-09-2009 |
The Seattle Mariners used the No. 2 overall selection in the 2009 MLB Draft to add North Carolina 1B/OF Dustin Ackley to the organization.Ackley immediately becomes the top prospect in a weak system, but brings big-league tools to the table, led by his speed, on-base skills and defensive range in the outfield. Those who wonder if there was a better talent available, the answer is no.
Why?
"He's a sure thing," said one West Coast area scout. "He's going to hit, period. Not a big power guy but he might pop 18 or 20 in his best seasons. But from day one you get a good all-around player who gets on base, leads by example, thrives in any situation and will perform. There's no weakness."
Taking LHP Tyler Matzek at No. 2, believed to be the club's No. 3 or 4 player on their draft board, wouldn't have been a terrible choice, but fans would have to wait that pick out at least three or four years, and the rate in which prep pitchers get injured and ultimately fail to pan out, well, Ackley is the safer pick with similar returns as the median return on a prep arm.
Ackley could probably hop right into the M's lineup and hit .260/.330/.400 or better for the rest of the year, which brings up the question of timetable.
To properly develop and avoid the risk of retarding said development, he'll start in the minors.
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| 1. By: baseballman on 06-09-2009 17:26:25 how long do you think it will take to sign him? |
| 2. By: bl4dux on 06-09-2009 17:26:43 Mr. Ackley we are prepared to offer you $5.5 million dollars |
| 3. By: BrettJMiller on 06-09-2009 17:27:18 We didn't blow it! Wheeeeee! I can't wait to watch this kid hit. |
| 4. By: PositivePaul on 06-09-2009 17:27:34 Yay they didn't eff the pick up this year! We'll see what happens when 27 and 33 come around... |
| 5. By: Slack on 06-09-2009 17:28:10 Great fit for Safeco! Well done Mariners! |
| 6. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 17:31:41 Ackley is going to sign soon enough to play in Everett in August, most likely. Whether they want him to or not, I don't know. |
| 7. By: Slack on 06-09-2009 17:35:42 Is Matt Hobgood an overdraft for Baltimore? He does have good stuff..... |
| 8. By: greymstreet on 06-09-2009 17:35:43 Why wouldn't they want him to? |
| 9. By: Lonnie on 06-09-2009 17:38:03 The big question with Ackley is where is he going to play, and how does he match up to what we currently have in the system. Is Ackley better, or have a higher ceiling than Gillies or Saunders at CF? How about LF or RF? Is the outfield even in Ackley's future? How does his bat and defense translate to 2nd base? Ackley has a lot to prove before anyone should go out and buy '10 or even '11 season tickets to see him play. Lonnie |
| 10. By: bl4dux on 06-09-2009 17:38:06 Would Tanner sign for under $3 million at 27? |
| 11. By: Stoiz on 06-09-2009 17:38:14 How far could Matzek slide? If he gets to 27 the M's better snatch him and offer 2.5-3 mil. He won't turn that down to go to UO. |
| 12. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 17:40:45 There is a chance Matzek poisoned his way to Boston at 28. |
| 13. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 17:42:31 I noticed that Ackley is 6'1" and only 184 pounds. You would think that if the kid can add about 20 pounds of muscle, which isn't absurd. ( I was 6'2" 185 in college and now I'm 200 pounds and just as fit as I was then) If he added the muscle, you would assume that his power goes up. right? I think we could be looking at a guy who regularly hits 25-30 HR's with all the other skills. Maybe I'm wrong. |
| 14. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 17:43:34 Ackley is probably going to play at 6-1ish and nearly 200 pounds most of his first five years or so. He's 189 now. |
| 15. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 17:45:18 Ackley is probably going to play at 6-1ish and nearly 200 pounds most of his first five years or so. He's 189 now. |
| 16. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 17:49:39 No idea why the double post... the server is getting blitzed. Why not play Ackley right away? With just a month left in the year, the M's may prefer they don't risk an injury before he can start a full year in pro ball. Just a thought, though. |
| 17. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 17:50:30 Sooooo happy they drafted Ackley! Now let's see who slides to 27 and 33. |
| 18. By: bl4dux on 06-09-2009 17:51:25 Wow suprise at #8, Mike Leake for the Reds?? In that ballpark. Yuck |
| 19. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 17:56:19 what do you expect bl4dux. It's a Bavasi/Jockety draft. |
| 20. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 17:56:22 Maztek and Miller falling out out of the top 10? Holy cow! |
| 21. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 17:56:44 One of two things will happen for sure. - The M's will get a great player at 27, or... - There will be blood |
| 22. By: PositivePaul on 06-09-2009 17:58:11 I vote for blood. (I've been diagnosed with learned helplessness) |
| 23. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 17:58:50 Matzek wants Porcello money, too. He, Purke and Turner. |
| 24. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 17:59:21 Storen at #10. |
| 25. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 18:01:13 Only if Daniel Day Lewis is involved! |
| 26. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 18:04:16 damn it. there goes matzek |
| 27. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:05:28 Great pick by Colorado. |
| 28. By: bl4dux on 06-09-2009 18:06:27 Matzek is gone. Crow is dropping like a fly. Alex White is still there. Seattle will have a great pick at 27. Open the wallets Nintendo |
| 29. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 18:06:40 Leake at #8! awesome. And yeah, total steal at #11. I can't believe this 18 year old was touching 98, 99 and is a lefty. Nasty. |
| 30. By: Lonnie on 06-09-2009 18:07:35 I want Matzek to go ahead and play for Oregon... Go Ducks! |
| 31. By: Lonnie on 06-09-2009 18:08:45 Well, it had to happen sooner or later... Crow off of the board. |
| 32. By: bl4dux on 06-09-2009 18:09:27 There goes Crow |
| 33. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 18:10:13 There goes Crow. The arms I want are dropping back to back. I guess signability isn't that big of an issue. Colorado and KC aren't known for signing guys above slot, they are regarded as smaller market teams. |
| 34. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 18:10:42 There goes Crow. The arms I want are dropping back to back. I guess signability isn't that big of an issue. Colorado and KC aren't known for signing guys above slot, they are regarded as smaller market teams. |
| 35. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 18:12:23 now im pullinr for mier,purke,or trout at #27 |
| 36. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:14:27 Oakland just drafted Bobby Crosby v2.0.. without the defense. Ugh. |
| 37. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:15:48 Stassi, Purke, Scheppers, Paxton, in that order for 27. |
| 38. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 18:16:20 wow green wasn't even in your mock 1st round |
| 39. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:16:25 Did John Hart just dub Green the best defensive SS in the draft? Huh??? |
| 40. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:17:49 Why is Shelby Miller falling off so much? |
| 41. By: PositivePaul on 06-09-2009 18:17:59 Shit. Purke in Texas... |
| 42. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:18:01 Purke to Texas. |
| 43. By: Edman on 06-09-2009 18:18:06 Kinda funny. We'll have to see what KC is gonna pay for Crow. But, he drops three slots in a weak draft. Not sure how much Scott can deal for. Aaron Crow probably would have been better off to sign with the Nats last year. Yet another player screwed over do Boros can maintain his high profile. I believe Matt Harrington has a voodoo doll of Scott that he puts pins in every day. |
| 44. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 18:18:18 ya i forgot to add sheppers |
| 45. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:19:14 With Purke gone, (he wasn't going 27 anyway -- too pricey, not worth it), The M's are thinking Paxton, Scheppers, but moreso Arnett, Brothers. |
| 46. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:21:33 Crow is going to have issues getting more than 3 mil from KC. |
| 47. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 18:21:41 Seems like teams aren't scared of signability players, the M's better take BPA at 27 & 33, my guess is Borchering and Mier. |
| 48. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 18:23:21 Why aren't the M's on Shelby Miller? Because he is a H.S. arm? You have him as third best prospect and most boards have him in top6. Think I want him or Scheppers |
| 49. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:23:49 Isn't that crazy how much the draft changes? I remember a few months ago when Jason was saying that Alex White was the clear cut #2 player. Now he falls to 15. |
| 50. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:24:30 If Miller fell to 27, Seattle would consider him, certainly. White was No. 2 as late as April, too. |
| 51. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:26:46 ooooo.. Matzek looks like he is going to play hardball in negotiations. When asked if he will miss hitting, he responding with 'Oregon is going to let me play 1B as well ..but we'll see what Colorado has to say'. |
| 52. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 18:29:46 ha talkbaseball so 4 the 3rd basemen u wanted |
| 53. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:29:58 Just commented on that the live blog. He's asking for 7+ mil guaranteed. |
| 54. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 18:30:13 Yeah, Matzek came across a little hostile. |
| 55. By: bl4dux on 06-09-2009 18:30:57 Gibson at 51 if hes still there? |
| 56. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:31:10 He should be pissed. His agent is an idiot. |
| 57. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 18:31:49 Miller, Stassi, Gibson, Scheppers, Paxton are the guys I hope we're looking at right now. Jason, could they go Matt Davidson at 27? I saw you refer to him as the best prep bat and the #15 overall talent |
| 58. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:33:02 Man I hope Seattle goes big on 27. It looks like a good player is going to fall into their lap there. |
| 59. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 18:33:18 jason do you think seattle is married to taking a pitcher with #27? |
| 60. By: Missthosepilots on 06-09-2009 18:34:29 Jason, with the uncertainties of the economy, certainly there are guys right now wishing they had signed last year...do you think even more so next year? |
| 61. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:34:42 Not necessarily, but Pollock, a guy they like, is now gone, and they aren't tied to a lot of prep bats. Davidson is still there, he'd be a good pick at 27. Best Available: Scheppers, Paxton, Stassi, James, Myers, Brothers |
| 62. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 18:35:17 jason is he a borres player? |
| 63. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:35:51 What about Miller? |
| 64. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:35:58 Who? |
| 65. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 18:36:34 matzek |
| 66. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:36:56 Davidson is not. Miller, too, yes, CJ, thanks. |
| 67. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 18:38:13 I feel like St. Louis is going to take Miller |
| 68. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 18:38:34 jason I'm glad i became a subscriber it has made this all more fun |
| 69. By: Willmore on 06-09-2009 18:39:08 how much is miller asking to fall this far? |
| 70. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:39:39 Matzek is not a Boras client, no. He's with Legacy Sports. |
| 71. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:39:49 9 until our pick.. Ton of quality guys still out there.. I'm getting a little excited. Don't let me down Z. |
| 72. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 18:40:26 are you suprized arizona went with 2 bats and not a young pitcher? |
| 73. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:41:12 Ahhh! Miller gone. |
| 74. By: Willmore on 06-09-2009 18:41:26 Oh well, Cardinals lucked out. |
| 75. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 18:41:48 damn I knew Miller wouldn't fall to us |
| 76. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:43:28 Scheppers, Paxton, Stassi, Brothers, Myers, Davidson still remaining. Arnett, too. |
| 77. By: Stoiz on 06-09-2009 18:44:48 I'm calling Arnett as the pick |
| 78. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 18:44:48 Should we be happy with a guy like Arnett or Brothers? |
| 79. By: Willmore on 06-09-2009 18:45:39 Jason, somewhat stupid idea, but if this draft class is not very deep, especially up top, might the Mariners consider low balling Ackley and seeing who is available next year at #3? |
| 80. By: Slack on 06-09-2009 18:47:33 The Jays pick doesn't surprise me one bit. |
| 81. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 18:47:43 willmore that would hobble them with next years pick |
| 82. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 18:51:40 Jason, I can't believe how good your mock draft has been. Seriously. You have nailed a ton of the last several picks. So Arnett oughta start deciding which number Mariners jersey he wants ;) |
| 83. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 18:53:03 I'd be bummed if we took Arnett given some of the guys potentially left on the board. I really like Stassi if he's there. |
| 84. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:54:48 Wow.. Gibson higher than I thought. |
| 85. By: yohnhimself on 06-09-2009 18:54:51 I wouldn't be upset with Arnett, he seems like a late-bloomer with some upside. |
| 86. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:55:48 Isn't Arnett said to have #1 type stuff? |
| 87. By: Stoiz on 06-09-2009 18:56:28 Law said he is a potential #1 |
| 88. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 18:57:04 damn I knew Miller wouldn't fall to us |
| 89. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 18:57:35 Re: Willmore, They can take that as far as Aug 15, but Ackley is very likely better than the 3rd best guy in 2010. Not a good draft next year, either. |
| 90. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 18:59:46 Love how Selig says "Los Angeleeeeez Angels...." |
| 91. By: Willmore on 06-09-2009 18:59:50 Jason, who do you take with our picks right now? |
| 92. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:00:01 Mitchell to the White Sox. That's fine with me. Have the analysts on MLB Network not "loved" every pick. These guys think every single player and pick has been excellent |
| 93. By: mcgillicutty on 06-09-2009 19:00:14 I guess mlb pushed back the deadline to August 17th. |
| 94. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 19:00:29 Damn there goes my sleeper, Mitchell. I don't know what it is but I think he is going to be really good |
| 95. By: Willmore on 06-09-2009 19:03:22 mcgillicutty: maybe because the 15th is a saturday? |
| 96. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:03:56 Who on Earth is Randal Grichuk? |
| 97. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:04:36 Damn.. Scheppers, Paxton and Arnett STILL there! |
| 98. By: Willmore on 06-09-2009 19:04:42 Crusty: Apparently, a 1st round pick, who woulda thunk it. |
| 99. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 19:04:54 And Brothers still on board |
| 100. By: Willmore on 06-09-2009 19:07:17 Stassi ... Stassi ... Stassi .... was the german secret police, but I don't mind it if he can play. |
| 101. By: bl4dux on 06-09-2009 19:07:20 Gibson at 51 if hes still there? |
| 102. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:07:20 Trout and Wheeler still there as well.. |
| 103. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:07:42 Gibson is gone. |
| 104. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:07:51 Two picks away from possibly getting Scheppers... I'm nervous |
| 105. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:07:58 Too bad we got that deal with Baron worked out already. I think we'd all be going nuts right now given the talent remaining and us owning 2 of the next 8 picks |
| 106. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:08:42 Scheppers at 27, Paxton at 33? That would be nuts. Likely won't happen, but damn... |
| 107. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:08:56 Im really hoping we take Stassi, but I doubt we will |
| 108. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:09:03 Angels take Trout. One more pick!!! |
| 109. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:09:22 Why don't more players go to the draft? That was pretty cool when Trout got drafted. |
| 110. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 19:13:00 jason ok call it! |
| 111. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:13:13 Damn... I'm getting scared.. I don't want to hear Selig say "The Mariners select.. John Doe".. ugh.. |
| 112. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:13:44 Who is it Jason!!!! Come on.. DOn't hide! |
| 113. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:14:06 Scheppers? Stassi?? |
| 114. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:14:07 Arnett to Milwaukee. Scheppers is ours... if we want him. |
| 115. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:14:11 Stassi, Davidson, Scheppers, Brothers, Paxton.. Ill be pleased with any of those guys |
| 116. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:14:23 Come on Scheppers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 117. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 19:14:26 damn I kind of wanted Arnet because I don't think the M's have the balls to take Scheppers. Here we go! |
| 118. By: bl4dux on 06-09-2009 19:14:40 Take Tanner |
| 119. By: Slack on 06-09-2009 19:15:19 Scheppers or Paxton! Lets go! |
| 120. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:15:31 Come on Scheppers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 121. By: Willmore on 06-09-2009 19:15:31 The Puck is dropped. Game 6 is live. Go Red Wings. |
| 122. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:16:01 121. What!!! Get out of here! lol |
| 123. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:16:15 If we get Schepp, i don't care about the rest of the draft. |
| 124. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:16:33 Last chance to call it Jason. |
| 125. By: Slack on 06-09-2009 19:16:40 Drumroll........... |
| 126. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 19:17:03 Not Scheppers |
| 127. By: Willmore on 06-09-2009 19:17:30 Who? Jason ... what the fuck? |
| 128. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:17:31 Damnit!! |
| 129. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:17:42 WTF.. |
| 130. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 19:17:44 catcher? |
| 131. By: Slack on 06-09-2009 19:17:55 Crap! |
| 132. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:18:17 Thats called going slot and going cheap.. Damn effing Mariners.. |
| 133. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 19:18:24 Fuuuuuccccckkkk |
| 134. By: mykillmagnum on 06-09-2009 19:18:37 nick franklin |
| 135. By: slick on 06-09-2009 19:18:37 cheap cheap cheap |
| 136. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 19:18:43 Fuuuuuccccckkkk |
| 137. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:19:00 Nick goddamn Franklin? You have to be joking. |
| 138. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 19:19:04 Effing Armstrong goes cheap on 27 and 33. BS. I quit following this team. |
| 139. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:19:21 USSM was right. I'll be pissed if Baron is at 33. |
| 140. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:19:24 Watch Boston nab Scheppers now.. FUCK!@ |
| 141. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 19:19:38 It's the same old Mariners, really. They could still pop someone big at 33. If 33 is a big name and 51 is Bailey, still a great draft. |
| 142. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:19:50 If Baron is 33.. This draft is a colossal failure. |
| 143. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 19:20:04 you got to be kidding me. Im sure we could of got Franklin at 33. Why not grab Scheppers there. Now Boston or NY are going to take him. We better not take Baron at 33 or I'm going to be pissed off |
| 144. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 19:20:09 calmn down people doc z knows what he is doing this is not bavasii |
| 145. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 19:20:28 Oh man, that sucks. Can't believe they would waste a premium pick like that. |
| 146. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:20:46 Unbelievable.. These fucks passed on Stassi, Davidson, Wheeler, and a host of high quality arms for this reach pick. Makes me sick. And it will only get worse when we see them overdraft Barron in 20 minutes |
| 147. By: bl4dux on 06-09-2009 19:20:50 Take Tanner |
| 148. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 19:20:51 Colossal fialure if they go cheap at 33. I hate Armstrong and this reeks of him. They get cover with going big on Ackley and go cheap the rest of the day. Meanwhile they lie and say they aren't making huge profits. |
| 149. By: Slack on 06-09-2009 19:21:33 "The Mariners are changing their ways!" GIve me a break! Will there be blood, Jason? |
| 150. By: Edman on 06-09-2009 19:21:56 Sorry, but the idea that Armstrong had much to do with this is ammusing to me. I trust JZ knows what he's doing. |
| 151. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:22:01 Regardless of Zduriencik, we can't ever forget who truly runs this team. For a brief moment there, I was really excited to be an M's fan. Not so much anymore. And sawman, Scheppers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Franklin. |
| 152. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:22:17 Great.. Anyone want to bet the Yanks take Scheppers? |
| 153. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:22:49 We would have been better off not taking Ackley if it means we could have actually gotten two Top 27 talents... Instead of Ackley and a major reach |
| 154. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:23:06 That's incredibly naive, Edman. Have you been following this team over the past 10+ years? |
| 155. By: Slack on 06-09-2009 19:23:26 I could see the Yankees taking Scheppers. They took Brackman a couple of years ago and he had injury concerns. |
| 156. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:23:44 Nick Franklin?? Seriously.. I still can't wrap my head around it. Fucking future utility infielder. His best tool? "He's a gamer".. Translated.. He has no good tools. |
| 157. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 19:23:57 seriously? this is why i dont follow or post on ussm anymore, because people say things like "theyre not following the team anymore" because of a late first round pick, they pick 2 more times in the top freaking 50 basically, give me a break, not one of you know if this kid is any good, and they have a chance to take those same guys in 5 picks unbelievable how freaking un educated our fan base is, yeesh. |
| 158. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 19:25:53 oh, and the red sox and yankees just passed on scheppers paxson wheeler and the rest of the guys we had to take. you can feel free to quit following them if you want, or better yet, start following em |
| 159. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:26:08 Chevy Chase said it best... "And I want to look him straight in the eye and I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-assed, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spineless, worm-headed sack of monkey shit he is! Hallelujah! Holy shit! Where's the Tylenol™?!?" |
| 160. By: slick on 06-09-2009 19:26:13 rex Brothers at 33 maybe |
| 161. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 19:26:39 The draft is too hard to predict thus getting mad over it is pointless. It's so hard to tell where any of these players will end up in 5 years so just let it run its course. |
| 162. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 19:26:56 I never said they had to take Scheppers or I quit. But they do need to NOT go below freaking slot. Take slot, fine. But below slot??? That's the only reason to take Frankling there. |
| 163. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 19:27:05 If we draft Baron at 33 I'm done with the M's until Howie and Chuck are gone!!! |
| 164. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:27:18 Douche Bag - while I won't comment on your screen name, if you can find one person who says Scheppers is not a better prospect than Franklin, I'll concede the point. This is the same ol' Mariners, putting money concerns and slot over talent. That's why everyone is angry. Scheppers could have been really, really good for us, but instead we get a "gamer" shortstop. |
| 165. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:28:22 If the Cubs pass on him, we have another shot at Scheppers. |
| 166. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 19:28:48 I'd have taken either of the guys the Red Sox and Yanks took over Franklin. So it wasn't all about "take my guy or I'm going to pout." There were 20 guys who should go before Franklin. |
| 167. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:29:47 I agree. We didn't have to take Scheppers or Stassi. It would have been nice if they went above slot given the current state of the system, but hell I would i have settled for just going slot. Take a guy like Brothers or Wheeler. What are you doing taking a player that I don't think is considered a Top 100 level talent by any scouting service? |
| 168. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 19:29:49 my screen name was given to me by someone else, thats all i'll say. I dont disagree that scheppers isnt a better talent then franklin, you wont find anyone who says it. THERE ARE NO MORE INFIELDERS IN THIS DRAFT and he wouldnt have lasted to 51. you still can take paxson, scheppers, wheeler and a HOST of others at 33. Now if they take baron, i wont be happy. but franklin is a switch hitting SS who can stay at the position and is a plus glove, its not like we just took danielle lawrie folks |
| 169. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:30:58 Guys give up on Scheppers or any of the top talents that have fallen. It's not happening. We aren't taking Scheppers, Stassi, Paxton, etc... Expect Baron |
| 170. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:31:45 "THERE ARE NO MORE INFIELDERS IN THIS DRAFT and he wouldnt have lasted to 51. " Repeat after me: NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER draft for need!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 171. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 19:32:27 the tampa bay rays just took levon washington. Theyre arguably the best drafting org in baseball. TELL ME you wouldnt have been complaining if we woulda taken washington, just tell me that, and i'll shut the hell up |
| 172. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:32:50 Ok - if the Cubs pass on Scheppers, we have another shot. I'll be irate if we take Baron at 33. |
| 173. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:33:15 LOL.. I just looked up Franlin's scouting report and heres what it said in a nutshell.. Contact: Average Power: Average Defense: Average Arm: Average Speed: Average Body: Small build Good grief... |
| 174. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 19:34:02 Rays are the best drafting org because they are always in top 2. See how it works from the bottom of the rounds... |
| 175. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:34:08 Rays the best drafting organization? I wouldn't necessarily say that. If you are picking top three every year, you will probably look pretty good. |
| 176. By: mcgillicutty on 06-09-2009 19:34:10 I would have been disappointed with Ramon Fuentes or Levon Washington. |
| 177. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 19:35:15 the scouting report thats done by a guy who isnt good enough to run a major league franchise? cool, thats worth something, and no, thats not what his scouting report says, reading a 2 to 8 sheet doesnt say his numbers are average at all those things are all, thats just flat wrong. |
| 178. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:35:16 Tampa and Boston don't need to hit on these picks. They are already stacked with young talent. We can't afford to draft below slot with our current roster and bad farm system. |
| 179. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 19:35:25 Some say Franklin would NOT have made it to 33... But I agree, not a good pick. |
| 180. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 19:35:27 Has anyone here seen Scheppers medical results? Doubt it. |
| 181. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 19:36:08 At least Levon made Keith Law's top 100. But the other thing? The Rays are STOCKED. So they can afford to take young, high upside guys who may not make it for five years. The M's HAVE to nail it in this draft. And they are letting money talk already and it's still the first round. If they DON'T take Baron? Then I'll back off the ledge a little. |
| 182. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 19:36:26 Problem is Franklin probably could gave been had at 33 or 51, and now we look at Baron who could be had in the third, typical M's. I don't know why we get excited anymore. I love how McNamara was talking BPA, what a joke. |
| 183. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 19:37:02 Ya your right adam, the pirates and nationals have done a great job with picking that high WHY DIDNT THE MARINERS TAKE BRETT JACKSON! OH WHY OH WHY OH WHY Paxson and scheppers are STILL, FREAKING, THERE again guys, im sorry, im just annoyed by comments that say things like youre giving up on the team when they have a shot at 2 great players with 18 picks to go, and we have NO idea how good franklin will be, i apologize |
| 184. By: mk795 on 06-09-2009 19:37:22 "If you are picking top three every year, you will probably look pretty good." So should the M's start lookin' good soon..? |
| 185. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 19:37:26 The M's will be making a plethora of trades and will be able to acquire plenty of young talent that way. Saying the M's HAVE to nail it on this draft is stretching it. I think the trade deadline is more important. |
| 186. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:37:33 Here's something fun to think about - had we not signed Fields, we would have had a shot at Shelby Miller and Gibson. |
| 187. By: huhwhat on 06-09-2009 19:37:50 Not saying Franklin's a good pick, but isn't the fact that Scheppers is dropping past teams like the Yankees who even took Brackman in the past throwing up flags that something's not right? I do agree though is Baron in 33, I probably will be disappointed but you never know. |
| 188. By: superJAYdude on 06-09-2009 19:38:03 I'm guessing then Scheppers medicals might not be clean then if he is still on the board? |
| 189. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 19:38:07 Scheppers is a strawman. There are dozens of non-Scheppers players who would have made people less skeptical than Franklin. |
| 190. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:38:47 Douche Bag, Please be quiet. Stop saying that Scheppers and Paxton are still there as if they will be picked with the #33. If the M's come back and start overdrafting with the next two picks, then I'll be fine with the player we just took. But Im betting they overdraft at 33 and/or 51 |
| 191. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:39:13 "WHY DIDNT THE MARINERS TAKE BRETT JACKSON! OH WHY OH WHY OH WHY" Are you saying Jackson was at the top of their board and passed him because of need? I do find it hard to believe franklin was at the top of the board. |
| 192. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:39:21 DB, I expect you to change your tune if the Mariners take another BELOW slot guy at 33.. If you don't, I'll be at a loss as of why you would support such obvious money saving moves. |
| 193. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 19:39:29 If they take Baron at 33 I am going to be so bummed. I really could not care less about drafting the next Rob Johnson. |
| 194. By: mcgillicutty on 06-09-2009 19:40:13 Hopefully the M's took Franklin at 27 so they didn't have to take Baron at 33. Maybe they had good information that Scheppers or Stassi would be there at 33. |
| 195. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:40:49 With all the talk of McNamara about this being the most important draft in team history, Franklin and Baron would appear to be VERY odd picks... |
| 196. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:40:52 What a draft Colorado is having.. if they can get Matzek signed |
| 197. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 19:41:21 And to think.. I was excited as hell for this draft. They can still save it for me with a Paxton, Brothers, Stassi or Scheppers pick at 33. Please on Scheppers.. |
| 198. By: Edman on 06-09-2009 19:41:24 We all need to accept that because a kid gets a lot of media, doesn't mean they are the only good players. |
| 199. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 19:42:46 im saying that this attitude that we know what would be right for the mariners to do at 27 when they have another pick at 33 is just not right to me. its a bad economy guys, if taking franklin allows them to take a top collegiate arm, then I think we did well, if we take a guy like baron, then i'll take back everything i say, I dont like the franklin pick, im saying that i understand it and it could pay off, thats all im sayin folks |
| 200. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:43:31 Well lets see, DB... I think we're all pissed about the pick because we have little confidence that we're about to take a top college arm with #33 |
| 201. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 19:43:40 I am with you Adam T, the most important draft in team history shouldn't hinge on getting one guy in Ackley. Franklin and Baron - blah. Grab one of the sliding guys, step up. Pay for Paxton or Stassi. Scheppers even. |
| 202. By: mk795 on 06-09-2009 19:44:29 Well, here we go... /shit |
| 203. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 19:45:43 we took the right guy at 2, why do we not have confidence that we take the right guy at 33, and again, how do you know (other then Jason, who kinda does this for a living, and i trust him) franklins NOT the right pick at 27, but we'll find out in 15 minutes if this is a C minus draft or a B plus draft, in my opinion, i still dont take back what i said about guys who are willing to stop following the team over a 27th pick, sorry. |
| 204. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 19:45:56 The M's need an arm at 33, we have no upper level pitching talent and even our low level guys aren't that special. They need to take Paxton , Scheppers, or the best slot pitcher available. |
| 205. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 19:47:14 Of course time will tell who the right guy was at 27.. But I feel pretty confident that if money was equal, no way would anybody take Franklin over a guy like Stassi |
| 206. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 19:48:20 Do you think anyone is being literal when they say "I quit" 45 seconds after a pick like Franklin? Quit with the sanctimonious crap. |
| 207. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 19:48:29 And the Rockies take... |
| 208. By: Edman on 06-09-2009 19:49:51 Most important draft in team history? Come on. The organization is going to crumble based on this draft? It may be important, but I don't buy into this being the most important yet. That could have been said every year from 1977 though 1988. If it's this draft that's going to turn this team around, good luck. There's much more involved. |
| 209. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 19:50:43 damn I kind of wanted Arnet because I don't think the M's have the balls to take Scheppers. Here we go! |
| 210. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 19:51:42 I wanted Arnet to slip too. That hurt. |
| 211. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 19:52:04 I don't quit, but I'm once again disappointed in my team. Kind of sucks when it happens over and over and over again. Ok - if Scheppers' medicals look bad, Paxton should be the pick, right? |
| 212. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 19:52:19 Rockies take Tim Wheeler. M's up. |
| 213. By: bikozu on 06-09-2009 19:54:04 Is there a chance we took Franklin because we're out of signing cash for taking Ackley? |
| 214. By: huhwhat on 06-09-2009 19:54:25 Hasn't Paxton also had questions with health, especially his elbow? What I've read about him has lead to me to believe he's like Bedard in the nagging injury similarity. IN any case let's see what the M's do. |
| 215. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 19:55:16 Yes, that's possible. I think the M's are looking at the draft as a whole, rather than saying "We have to take a cheaper player at 27 and/or 33 if we take Ackley." |
| 216. By: gretho on 06-09-2009 19:55:44 Who's to say Schepper's won't have shoulder problems his whole career? I like a solid switch hitting SS. |
| 217. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 19:56:56 Edman, This is why we hired GMZ - his scouting, drafting, etc. If we are going to become a legitimate contender we need to be willing to spend some money on the draft and we needed to see how willing Armstrong and Lincoln were going to be in deferring to Jack and give him the resources he needs to succeed. Spend some money period. Sure this is an awful lot of overreaction and this next pick could change things, but this is definitely an important draft. Unfortunately, this organization continually shows that they are willing to contend for a few months, and then fade away. It doesn't seem to be a major concern as long as the money is rolling in. So as to crumbling based on this draft? I am not sure where else we could go, its not like we have far to crumble down to. There is a lot of hope riding on these players in the fan base, especially with it looking like we will not be breaking the bank on free agents. |
| 218. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 19:57:32 i will say this, that if baron is the pick here, ill feel like quite the jackass for defending the franklin pick. I am just confident that jack z and mcnamara have a plan and are going to pick the right dude at 33, and franklin will be a bonus, but lets find out, is that fair enough? There are definitely positives to franklins game that we can be excited about to go with the negatives of a guy who probably wont hit double digit homers in safeco guys, lets just take one step off the ledge and ill take one step off the homer mobile. |
| 219. By: slamcactus on 06-09-2009 19:58:00 If this is the same Edman that used to post here a few years ago, I find myself completely amazed that I'm 100% in agreement with him for the first time ever. A lot of times teams disagree with BA, Goldstein, and KLaw's attempts to sum up scouting "consensus" with their numerical rankings. They're going on a TON more information than even the best reporters can gather, and the guys in charge of the Ms draft have a reputation for being excellent at their jobs. Franklin was tabbed as a late riser up draft boards, and clearly the Ms FO guys liked what they saw in comparison with what else was available and how much it would cost. They're entitled to a (not unlimited) certain degree of deference on something like this, where their information greatly outpaces our own. Mistakes at the top are one thing, because everyone and their mother's put eyes on the consensus top-10 guys dozens and dozens of times. Down here, they know way, way more than we do, and criticizing them based on a smattering of third-hand information is silly. |
| 220. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 19:59:48 I think a lot of the moaning about Franklin is due to JAC's report that there was a pre-draft deal with Baron at 33. So that combo is just totally "meh". |
| 221. By: baseballman on 06-09-2009 20:00:41 what time do the Ms pick again? |
| 222. By: mk795 on 06-09-2009 20:00:54 15 minute break feels like a solid 2 hours.. |
| 223. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:01:01 and, whoops |
| 224. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 20:01:03 ASU - right - if this is Schep or Paxton, I'll be fine with Franklin. I understand there are money issues. |
| 225. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:01:28 Annnndddd.... Baron..... So.. no scheppers, paxton, stassi.. |
| 226. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 20:01:51 Fuck. Screw you, M's. Screw you. |
| 227. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 20:01:57 Screw this team. Same pathetic organization. Hire a scouting guru and then play it cheap in the draft. |
| 228. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:02:07 this just doesnt make any sense, this is what was supposed to become the strength of the team, and now we have a great pick and 2 below average to bad picks bad draft |
| 229. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:02:20 Mother fucker! |
| 230. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 20:02:37 Colorado has taken Matzek, Wheeler, and Brothers |
| 231. By: Adam T on 06-09-2009 20:02:38 Most important draft in team history, folks. There you have it. What bullshit. |
| 232. By: Slack on 06-09-2009 20:02:52 I'm almost speechless. I just don't get it. |
| 233. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 20:03:25 Wow they actually took Baron. Just a horrible draft so far |
| 234. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:03:52 im not happy, and i apologize for having faith in mcnamara and jack z to get this done right, im sorry, its not mathew hobgood bad, but its realllly bad |
| 235. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 20:04:09 I can't help but laugh at these comments. A bunch of draft guru's in here. What's that? 99% of you couldn't name 20 players in the draft before the day started? N I C E |
| 236. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 20:04:16 The M's should pick in about 5 minutes. I doubt this pick is Scheppers or Paxton. Now there's a decent chance one of them gets to 51. |
| 237. By: baseballman on 06-09-2009 20:04:53 what the hell, i guess this team only cares about money and not winning |
| 238. By: Rudolf on 06-09-2009 20:05:02 Don't the M's make more $$ than Colorado? How did they steal our draft while drafting behind us on every pick? I feel slightly ill... maybe worse. |
| 239. By: Rudolf on 06-09-2009 20:05:33 Don't the M's make more $$ than Colorado? How did they steal our draft while drafting behind us on every pick? I feel slightly ill... maybe worse. |
| 240. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 20:05:51 LOL. Now they say that the kid won't sign because he is going to Duke and really wants his education. What a joke |
| 241. By: mk795 on 06-09-2009 20:06:11 I'm curious as to what this means for our international scouting, perhaps money will be diverted there if this team doesn't feel the value was here in ths draft. Well, at least my name isn't Jack Z, can't imagine what is going through his head right now. |
| 242. By: bl4dux on 06-09-2009 20:06:35 Blue Jays Pop Paxton. Nice |
| 243. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:06:38 Paxton is gonee.. wah wah. I have a sinking feeling we will not be drafting Scheppers at 51.. |
| 244. By: Slack on 06-09-2009 20:07:05 The Rockies didn't steal our draft. We gave it to them. |
| 245. By: gretho on 06-09-2009 20:07:09 Can't wait to see Matzek in a Ducks uniform. |
| 246. By: Rudolf on 06-09-2009 20:07:10 Well, Toronto got a couple college pitchers... uhhhh. |
| 247. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 20:07:24 so much for drafting signability players. So so dumb. Question do you get compensation if your supplemental 1st round pick doesn't sign? |
| 248. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:07:49 Corey, if a first round talent woulda been taken here, I would absolutely agree with you. But the 2 guys who have been taken here are 2nd and 3rd round talents who I HAVE to think have been taken because of financial constraints, I think everyone here prays to God we're wrong and that thse kids deserved to be picked here, but this was bad form, there are about 7 or 8 guys who i woulda been ok with here, stephen baron was not one of them. |
| 249. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:08:05 rjfrik - they do not know what they are talking about, we had a pre-draft deal with Baron. They also made it seem like Trout was the best player after Strasburg just because he is the only player to actually attend the draft. They're lame-o. |
| 250. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 20:08:37 - This team has had one of the highest payrolls in baseball the past few years. - This team spends a whole lot of money in the IFA market. - Took a player in Ackley that will receiver a high bonus. But the M's are cheapo!!!!!! |
| 251. By: slick on 06-09-2009 20:08:49 Saving money for the D.R. and Latin free agents, July 2nd there are a couple of good cathers and OF's this year In the D.R. maybe a reason to go a little cheap, I dont know. |
| 252. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 20:11:02 Angels up with 40th pick. Interesting that neither Scheppers or Stassi has been taken yet. |
| 253. By: Rudolf on 06-09-2009 20:12:13 hey, angels fans get a real draft. sucks to be us. |
| 254. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 20:12:14 Juan Valdez didn't you get the memo? Scheppers and Stassi will be in the HoF. |
| 255. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:14:06 I'm curious Corey, what exact organization do you work for? And if youre so offended by the complaints of picking 2 players below slot, why do you feel the need to post? Im sure youre busy running another teams draft, so you better get back to that. |
| 256. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:14:38 So I take it you're happy with this draft then Corey? Passing on talent to take lesser talent all in the sake of saving money sits well with you as a fan? |
| 257. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 20:15:48 @Corey - well, you never know, but I was commenting more on how interesting it is that they are falling so far. They must have scared everyone off with bonus demands. Both could very easily be there at 51. We'll see I suppose. |
| 258. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:15:48 Oh, and before you post, ya, ive seen all 3 of ackley franklin and baron play, live. And no, I dont know as much as Jason, but i pride myself on knowing quite a bit, and thats all I'll say, youre posts are just immature and tedious, kinda look like posts earlier :) |
| 259. By: Rudolf on 06-09-2009 20:15:49 great! sheppers in the AL West! |
| 260. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:16:33 Yeah, Corey, who would want Scheppers. Only has the 2nd best stuff in the entire draft. |
| 261. By: bl4dux on 06-09-2009 20:17:16 How about Andrew Oliver at 51? LHP and throws gas |
| 262. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 20:17:22 So I take it you've seen Scheppers medical results? |
| 263. By: gretho on 06-09-2009 20:17:53 Amazing that there were 12 other stupid, cheap gm's who passed on him until the Rangers. Guess they should all be fired too. |
| 264. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:19:13 I haven't, and by the way, I wasnt saying I wanted scheppers, I wanted Paxton, and I woulda taken scheppers, I've seen baron try and hit hs pitching at an above average rate with about as much timing as a white guy dancing though. He sure can catch and throw though |
| 265. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:19:52 @240 Whos going to Duke? Baron? |
| 266. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:20:50 CJ - Yeah, he was committed there. We had a pre-draft deal in place with him though, so it is a moot point. |
| 267. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 20:21:09 I also think talking about players like you know them like the back of your hand is just funny. I doubt any of you have even seen scheppers, strassi, paxton play a live game, and yet you're OH SO SURE they are the right picks, not seeing medical results and all. |
| 268. By: gretho on 06-09-2009 20:21:56 2nd best stuff. Pretty stupid of every other team passing on him then. |
| 269. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 20:22:02 I hope he goes to Duke! Come on Baron you are a very smart kid, you want an education!! |
| 270. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:22:40 Again, stop assuming, ive seen scheppers, stassi, and paxton play. You seen stephen baron or nick franklins medical records? No body is saying theyre the right pick, Corey. Theyre saying that theyre better picks, and that I hope most of us are wrong. |
| 271. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:23:43 Corey, Actually, I went to the same high school as Brett Lorin and Scheppers did (Dana Hills) - so I have seen him and talk to him regularly. He says his doctors say he is fine - he just wants $3 million. |
| 272. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 20:24:59 I don't think that is what people are mad about. I think they are mad about drafting a kid who isn't even in Law's or BA's top 100 and a guy who sits at 96th best player on boards with the 27th and the 33rd pick in the draft. I don't care who they draft with those picks as long as they are within the top 50 players, I mean come on. We could of got either pick at 51 and 82 but instead we wasted two picks where we could of infused talent into the farm system. It is really really dissapointing. |
| 273. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:25:23 rjfrik - I do not think you get another pick in next years draft if your supplemental pick doesnt sign? |
| 274. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:25:36 267. No but when professional scouts cry out in unison that a player A is great and player B is nothing special... We tend to take them at their word. Quit being a condescending ass. |
| 275. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:25:46 Proythress is a solid 2nd round pick, good Pop, decent plate discipline, covers the plate, slow as molasses, not bad. |
| 276. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:26:01 I kind of like that pick, but can we get some pitching? |
| 277. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 20:27:39 18 year old with a questionable injury wants $3M. Yeah, I'm all over that. |
| 278. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:28:20 Uh, Scheppers is not 18. He is 22. |
| 279. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:28:32 You don't even know what you are talking about, clearly. |
| 280. By: rjfrik on 06-09-2009 20:30:38 worst m's draft ever. Im done good night guys |
| 281. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 20:30:45 I guess Stassi is going to college? Don't know what's going to happen with our pitching... but if we can somehow take Luke Bailey in the 3rd round, I can live with our draft |
| 282. By: mk795 on 06-09-2009 20:31:04 @ Corey I highly doubt any of us, especially myself, consider ourselves experts- that's why we read this blog religiously- but taking Baron is an obvious misplay in terms of percieved value, definately when you consider the state of our farm. It seems kind of obvious our curren glut of catching prospects (if you could even call it that) compared to the barren cupboard that is our starting pitchin. When you have a chance to add a lefty like Brothers or Pxtn, well, it hard to find a reason we passed on them. |
| 283. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 20:31:16 $3M is still funny to give to a pitcher with questionable medical results. I think it's obvious this is what most GMs think as well, considering the kid slid. Not even teams with a huge payroll(red sox, yankees) took the risk. |
| 284. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:32:20 Maybe if Morrow and Aumont can get shifted back to the rotation we will view things differently. |
| 285. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 20:32:58 I'm looking at mlb.com's draft tracker and the last pick was Garrett Richards by the Angels at 42. Is this thing not updating? |
| 286. By: d2ret on 06-09-2009 20:33:11 Corey if in fact you are a Mariners fan, you might just be in denial about this not being a bad draft. Simply, those players could have been had at 51 and 82 if you liked them. Both picks were overdrafts. Who are you trying to convince of otherwise, everybody else, or your self? |
| 287. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:33:15 Whats really funny to me? Is if the mariners woulda gone Ackley, Proythress, Baron and Franklin, i wouldnt have had NEARLY as much of a problem with it to be completely honest But it was sheer luck that proythress lasted this long, and as raw and good as the power is, hes far from perfect. |
| 288. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:34:21 Juan - Yeah, the draft tracker seems to be broken :( I am just watching it live on mlb.com |
| 289. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 20:34:53 Valdez, right... it's broken. |
| 290. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 20:35:17 So they grabbed Proythress at 51? |
| 291. By: Edman on 06-09-2009 20:35:22 Ahhh, how many times over the years have I read "worst draft ever"? Sadly, of recent years, it's been true. But they all can't be the worst draft ever. I somehow think drafting Ackley is pretty damn good. |
| 292. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:36:05 Juan - Yeah, Proythress at 51. Too bad he isn't a lefty... |
| 293. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 20:36:43 d2ret I already said getting upset over the draft is pointless. It's too hard to predict where these players will be in 5 years and getting upset over it NOW is a waste of time. But while the M's didn't break the bank for players with questionable medical results in this weaker draft, they'll still be the big player in IFA and are already linked to a kid and are talking $2M. That doesn't sound cheap to me. |
| 294. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:36:51 Anyone elses mlb.com draft tracker not working? I'm stuck at 42. |
| 295. By: mcgillicutty on 06-09-2009 20:37:45 Jason- Is Poythress similar to Matt LaPorta when he came out of Florida? |
| 296. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:37:52 Its not a great draft, but I dont think its the worst draft ever, the John Mayberry Draft is the worst draft the team has had in a loooong time, and the matt thornton draft wasnt exactly fruitful Hell, most of these drafts havent been fruitful :) |
| 297. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:39:05 Come on now Crusty, we just talked about how it's broken. You're better than that. |
| 298. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:39:07 No, far from the worst draft ever. Ackley solidified that right off the bat. Just confused why no college arms. |
| 299. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:39:53 297. My bad.. I haven't been paying attention. Too busy closing and reloading the damn thing.. lol |
| 300. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:39:57 You didnt ask me, but from what I SAW when i was in athens watching proythress taking batting practice, is he probably has more raw power then laporta does to all parts of the field? But isnt near the bat speed or player that laporta is, IMO |
| 301. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:40:37 Pretty sloppy of them to have not fixed it, its 20 picks later or something. |
| 302. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 20:40:47 As a right-handed batting first basemen, Proythress doesn't make much sense to me. Supposedly a very good hitter though. Maybe they figure they can stick him in left. |
| 303. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 20:41:03 Proythress or Poythress? |
| 304. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:41:25 when is danielle lawrie going to go in this draft? Jason and I disagree on both her ability and attractiveness! DISCUSS! |
| 305. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:42:13 Woo, Kipnis. I think he could make a solid 2B, maybe reminiscent of another ASU 2B - Pedroia. |
| 306. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 20:43:12 Anyone know if Scheppers or Stassi has gone yet? How about Andy Oliver? |
| 307. By: bodhizefa on 06-09-2009 20:43:37 What if all the good offers that Zduriencik is fielding for the likes of Beltre, Bedard, Branyan and Washburn include Double-A and Triple-A arms with upside? I'm not saying I'm not disappointed that we missed out on Scheppers/Paxton, but since we don't know the entire picture here (i.e. the trade landscape), I don't think we can evaluate this in its entirety. I will say this: Zduriencik sure does love him some defense. |
| 308. By: Blowgun7 on 06-09-2009 20:44:08 Stassi is still on the board. Scheppers went to Texas and Oliver to Tigers |
| 309. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 20:47:14 Why Stassi is still there I have no idea. re: bodhizefa That's actually kind of absurd. You can't draft one way because you are hoping trades go in another. |
| 310. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:48:48 Theres no question 307 that defensively this was a very good draft defensively, Franklin has plus range, Baron has plus arm and from what ive heard, plus game calling skills (an over rated skill, but never the less). And Dick (yep, im the first to call him Dick, anybody named Richard must be called Dick) isnt any worse then branyan out there It just is frustrating to watch really good pitchers not get picked over what can be concieved as cheapness. |
| 311. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:50:20 So Texas got Purke and Scheppers. |
| 312. By: jd7979 on 06-09-2009 20:50:34 What pick is the the draft at? |
| 313. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:51:54 70 i think? |
| 314. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:52:01 311. Ouch.. Very Ouch. |
| 315. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 20:52:33 Can Poythress play 3B? Any chance? |
| 316. By: d2ret on 06-09-2009 20:52:44 yeah its rediculous how the comentator likes every single pick for every single team. What kind of coverage is that? |
| 317. By: d2ret on 06-09-2009 20:53:31 ....its starting to get quite annoying |
| 318. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:53:32 Corey - in a word NO. He can barely manage at first. |
| 319. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 20:54:31 It is interesting to think the the Mariners, as much as im not in favor of the picks at 27 and 33, that the mariners got the best college bat, the best defensive HS short stop who switch hits, the best HS defensive C, and the best college power hitter Something to think about i guess? |
| 320. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:55:04 Walla to Milwaukee. |
| 321. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:55:43 Not really digging the Matt LeCroy comp with Poythress |
| 322. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:56:51 youre right d2- every pick "yeah, this is a great pick for the (fill in team name here)." Shitty coverage. |
| 323. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 20:56:51 Interestingly, Law has Poythress ranked as the #25 overall player in his top 100. Like someone else said earlier, if Poythress was 27, Franklin 33 and Baron 51 I'd have much less of a beef. Those Texas arms are scary btw... |
| 324. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:57:12 DB, you still have to hit the ball. See: 2009 Mariners. |
| 325. By: ASUBoyd on 06-09-2009 20:57:13 Jason had Poythress in the 20s too. |
| 326. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 20:57:28 Mier is a better defender than Franklin. Not sure Franklin is going to hit. |
| 327. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 20:57:58 Stassi and Bailey still there?? |
| 328. By: jd7979 on 06-09-2009 20:58:20 I guess they stopped updating the picks and the blog on espn |
| 329. By: jd7979 on 06-09-2009 20:59:44 I spoke too soon |
| 330. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 21:01:26 On Poythress - scouting reports love his power but question his bat speed. I think we need more information on Baron and Franklin. Right now, Baron seems like less of a reach than Franklin. What's encouraging about Baron is that if they can get him to hit AT ALL, then he could be the type of catcher that dominates a game defensively. If that's the case, he just needs to be adequate at the plate. |
| 331. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 21:01:56 What an effing terrible draft, I think this shows us all how little power Z has. This ship is not getting righted until Howard and Chuck are gone, Colorado and Texas had killer drafts and we could have had everyone they drafted. McNamara was quoted as saying "most important draft" "we will take BPA" "Get it right." WHat a joke, minus Ackley worse draft in years, Bavasi drafts better than this. Our glaring weakness is starting pitcher and we have yet to draft one. |
| 332. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 21:03:08 Word is that Max Stassi fell because of money demands. |
| 333. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 21:04:00 Who is going to start for this team the next few years, with the inevitable trade of Bedard and the fact that Felix has not be re-signed. Your 2011 staff RRS-Silva-Vargas-Olson- and the king, with that staff we may win 70. |
| 334. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 21:05:10 I don't care that they didn't get any pitching because it could be that the BPA every time they picked was a position player. What I HATE is that they simply went cheap. That is demoralizing as a fan. |
| 335. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 21:06:02 The M's at 82 have a chance to make this a good day, still. Luke Bailey, Stassi, Ben Tootle. I'd LOVE any of the three at 82. Tootle is a cat that pitches at 92-95 and touched 98 this spring. |
| 336. By: Lonnie on 06-09-2009 21:06:37 Wow, Jason. Hyperbole sure has taken root here today! ;) Lonnie |
| 337. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 21:08:39 I agree you don't draft need, you go BPA. But when your idiot GM moves your only SP prospects into the pen you need to have some focus on SP. If you have two similarly rated players you go with the pitcher. FA pitchers rarely work and that's now what we are forced to do. On the bright side with the Nationals drafting strausberg we may have a shot at Harper in 2011. This draft has done little for our farm depth. When picking this high there should be drastic improvement after the draft and unfortunately that is not the case. |
| 338. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 21:08:45 Raul Ibanez for Franklin and Baron. I wonder what Toronto was offering. I have no clue and I don't know how good Frankling and Baron are. Just pointing out that we now know who Raul turned into. (Well, we'll know in five years when those guys pan out or wash out) |
| 339. By: bodhizefa on 06-09-2009 21:09:38 Tell me how you really feel, Jason :) Hey, I like this draft an awful lot from a defensive perspective. Zduriencik is putting his initial stamp on this organization, and it's clear that he wants to put together a defensive-oriented squad in order to try to win games. I also think that Zduriencik has a history of overdrafting guys (Fielder and LaPorta, off the top of my head) who weren't slotted anywhere near that high, and they've worked out for him. What with all the questions about Scheppers medical history, going for a switch-hitting middle infielder who could be an above-average big leaguer in a few years sure doesn't seem that awful to me. And it saved us enough money to nab Poythress later on, too. Lastly, I do think we're going to end up with a haul of arms via trade. And those arms are likely to be AA/AAA guys with not much development time left (that's my educated guess, anyway). I don't think it's an awful strategy to draft position players and take arms who are nearly ready from other teams' minor league systems -- pitchers that you have a lot more scouting info on and have a lot more data points in terms of probable longterm health over a guy like Scheppers. That would certainly be my preference if I were a GM. |
| 340. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 21:11:45 Just watching the post game and they interview Zduriencik.. He basically said this draft was all on McNamara. |
| 341. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 21:12:45 Kyle Seager.. The 3rd rounder. |
| 342. By: CrustyJuggler on 06-09-2009 21:13:10 So we drafted the #2 and #3 hitter from NC. |
| 343. By: slick on 06-09-2009 21:13:14 seager is an awesome pick his bat plays real nice at second |
| 344. By: CrockDaddy on 06-09-2009 21:19:06 maybe the equipment managers accidentally overstocked a bunch of the same sized medium jerseys for 6', 180 lb guys and didn't want to waste them |
| 345. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 21:19:18 His glove, however, is another story altogether. There's a reason he wasn't playing second at UNC. Questionable. |
| 346. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 21:20:35 I don't hate the Seager pick. I just don't love it. Thing is, Bailey, Stassi, and other first or second-round talent, are still out there. Amazing. |
| 347. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 21:20:40 What a surprise, another reach, terrible, terrible draft. Worsened by the fact we had opportunities to have a special draft. Our system went from 20-30 to 18-20, huge improvement, sense the sarcasm. |
| 348. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 21:24:00 IF seager can be a 2b, its a very nice pick, especially being a LH bat. But thats a big if, its a pretty so so pick. Over all today Im thrilled with Ackley, happy with poythress, dissapointed we didnt get a paxton or scheppers, but that doesnt mean i hate the 2 players i got, interesting. |
| 349. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 21:25:20 Church, 1-10 where do you go? I'm thinking 5 and the only reason its that high is Ackley. |
| 350. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 21:25:50 that was just some awful typing, i apologize, the 2 players the mariners got, i didnt get anyone, because my resume for GM is still missing |
| 351. By: d2ret on 06-09-2009 21:27:36 So Texas was willing to pony up for Purke and Scheppers? Wow. Add those two to what they already have in their org. in the majors and minors. They have got to have the brightest future in the division. |
| 352. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 21:31:14 Without a doubt. |
| 353. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 21:32:21 haha. All season I've followed UNC and spent a lot of time on their scout.com site. I only did so because I knew we'd likely end up with either Ackley or Alex White. All year I kinda wondered who this Seager kid was. |
| 354. By: Talkbaseball on 06-09-2009 21:32:44 Where's our mulligan? I think we deserve one by now. The baseball gods are testing Mariner fans patience. |
| 355. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 21:32:57 In the last ten years or so, when teams have traded veteran players for prospects during the season, how well have those prospects done? Does anyone know the answer? Has Baseball America ever done a study on this? I'm curious because some people here seem to think we'll be able to refresh the system with these arms, and while I certainly hope it works out that way, I have my doubts. My brain is telling me that, most of the time, the prospects teams get back tend to not go very far. But, I could be wrong. |
| 356. By: rocketdawg31 on 06-09-2009 21:33:42 Well, put me in on the "this draft really sucks" camp. A prime opportunity to give the system a jolt. Four of the top 51 picks. And we wind up with Ackley (fish in a barrel); Franklin, Baron (at 33??? WHY when you already went cheap-o at #27?? You coulda EASILY popped him at #51 and kept the precious "deal" in place!!), Poythress (Greg Pirkl 2.0) and now Seager. Who if he reaches his ceiling, becomes the next Chip Hale. Effing wonderful, guys. Other than Ackley, this is putrid. And Ackley's asking for star-player money when he's going to be a shade below players like Nick Markakis- who isn't even the best player on his team. In the meantime, Texas and Colorado show some cajones and pick everyone that should have gone to OUR system. I could be wrong, maybe Nick Franklin is someone who rises quickly that no one but McNamara sees is coming, and maybe all the others have higher ceilings than what I think...but this looks like a priceless opportunity flubbed royally and run into the damn ground. I am disappointed to be an M's fan now. |
| 357. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 21:36:51 On Seager, BA seems to think his defense at 3B was at least average. Is that bullshit then? |
| 358. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 21:36:52 cbssports.com has a good tracker |
| 359. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 21:39:03 rockettdawg more like dan uggla than hale |
| 360. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 21:40:29 Seager's D at third is fine. But his bat doesn't play there. |
| 361. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 21:41:08 Tomorrow, hopefully, they'll start drafting some high school arms in the next few rounds. |
| 362. By: bonfire2020 on 06-09-2009 21:43:52 How many of these first day guys will see time at Everett this season? |
| 363. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 21:44:08 What does an average ML 3rd baseman look like offensively? What is the best source for that information? |
| 364. By: Jerry on 06-09-2009 21:45:54 Ugh. Disappointing draft. I was hoping that this would be an epic draft. If the M's had picked Scheppers instead of Franklin, I would be stoked. But Franklin at #27 isn't a great value pick. Oh well. Hopefully the team knows what it is doing. I guess we all have to just hope that they know more than any of us, because, on current info, this sorta sucks. I am very suprised that the M's didn't take any pitchers on day 1. Who the hell saw that happening? Hopefully they can stock up on arms via late round picks, trades, and international signings. In fact, a few big ticket international guys would make me feel a little better about this. Booo. |
| 365. By: sawman on 06-09-2009 21:47:18 rockett what makes you so sure ackley is no better than markakis,are you a pycic or fourtune teller or maybe you are a high paid mlb scout.Sound like you are a know nothing like most the world |
| 366. By: Jerry on 06-09-2009 21:49:09 Jason, Who are the best players still on the board. A lot of guys who had slipped a bit just got picked at the end of the 3rd round. Who should we be hoping for tomorrow (only to have our hopes crushed)? |
| 367. By: slick on 06-09-2009 21:51:16 Hey is Stassi injured? Stassi and Bailey still available in round 4. Might not be that bad of a draft if we get one of these guys in round 4. |
| 368. By: slamcactus on 06-09-2009 21:58:00 Juan: last year the average AL 3B hit .264/.331/.418 and the average NL 3B hit .265/.340/.409. It's actually not as premium an offensive position as conventional wisdom tends to suggest. You can find league splits for every position at baseball-reference.com. |
| 369. By: Douche Bag on 06-09-2009 22:00:59 A little off topic, but Morrow is going back to Tacoma to work on being a starter again. Great news, i say. |
| 370. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 22:01:01 USSM reporting Morrow is going down to AAA to convert into a starter. |
| 371. By: rocketdawg31 on 06-09-2009 22:01:28 "Like most of the world"...except for maybe the likes of you, Sawman? Try harder not to be so condescending. Feel free to disagree with me however much you want, but knock off the 'tude. Ackley is most often compared with Markakis, with Markakis having an edge in overall power and throwing arm, and Ackley the edge in overall speed. But Ackley's not likely a premier basestealing threat- he's the type who runs the bases swiftly and well, but may max out around 15-20 SB in a major-league season...about the same as what Markakis provides right now. No, I'm not a scout. And BTW...there ARE no "high-paid", millionaire-type scouts. Everyone gets canned in the industry, everyone has a far-from-glittery percentage-rate of signed picks that produce....because 90% or so of pro ball players fail to reach the big leagues. Don't even try and jump on my butt, fella. I may not be a scout, but I'm not a "know-nothing layman", either. |
| 372. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 22:02:43 All I have to say is... I told you so, re: Morrow. |
| 373. By: Corey on 06-09-2009 22:05:14 Aumont is next hopefully. That'd make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. |
| 374. By: masonb on 06-09-2009 22:07:31 Jason, I know that this might be premature to ask, but who are some of the top international players that Seattle might be in on? And where would any of these guys fit into the draft? |
| 375. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-09-2009 22:09:31 Other than what's been reported, I'm not wise to the IFAs the M's are on. I'll dig into that some next week. |
| 376. By: Gustafson on 06-09-2009 22:35:35 So Morrow to the minors to start (good news for two reasons: MLB service time clock stops and he hopefully learns to pitch). Also, according to John Hickey on the Baseball America website, Jeff Clement is feeling better and is catching in the Rainiers bullpen. He sucks at catcher, but at least he profiles offensively better at C. It's "redeem our former first rounder day." |
| 377. By: DAMellen on 06-09-2009 22:53:15 So what time tomorrow does all this start up again? And how many rounds are there gonna be? |
| 378. By: masonb on 06-09-2009 22:57:25 Where might Angelo Songco get picked? Is he a guy that Seattle could pick in these next couple of rounds? And with Scheppers, do you think the choice to not take him at 27 had more to do with the medical records or his bonus demands? I was really hoping a pitcher was taken with that pick |
| 379. By: 01v-dubs on 06-09-2009 22:58:38 Jason, I don't know if this has been asked but is Seager more of a 2B or 3B, He kind of sounds like Bake DeWitt. Also who are the best players left, Any signability guys fall? |
| 380. By: DAMellen on 06-09-2009 23:02:41 Without even waiting for Jason's reply, I'm gonna toss out Stassi and Bailey. |
| 381. By: Juan Valdez on 06-09-2009 23:29:18 I'd like to know who some of the interesting projectable high school arms are that, hopefully, the M's will start grabbing up tomorrow. Also, if Stassi keeps falling, I'd love to see them grab him in a later round, offer him lower first-round money, and dare him to go to college. |
| 382. By: Pumpkin on 06-10-2009 00:10:09 Bailey still has not been drafted, Jason do you think there is any possibility that we draft him? |
| 383. By: slick on 06-10-2009 00:31:10 Brian Goodwin is available but he is a boras client, Madison Youniger is available Stassi Bailey are options but probably first round money for these guys. |
| 384. By: rocketdawg31 on 06-10-2009 00:37:57 Probably first-round money...but perhaps still within budget! I seriously hope they salvage this draft with some drafted-under-slot talent, like Younginer. Stassi or Bailey would make me smile, too. |
| 385. By: Pumpkin on 06-10-2009 00:46:57 I can't find a draft report on younginer can anyone post a link or tell me what tools look like? |
| 386. By: slick on 06-10-2009 00:49:49 Sam Dyson and Kendal Volz are still on the board as well if the M's are looking for college arms. Not sure if Dyson is a Sophmore but an interesting arm non the less. |
| 387. By: slick on 06-10-2009 01:00:56 Youniger is a high schooler working out of the pen plus fastball live arm very raw. |
| 388. By: Pumpkin on 06-10-2009 01:02:30 Okay thanks does the draft resume tomorrow at the same time? |
| 389. By: Edman on 06-10-2009 01:32:24 Drafting Stassi now would be a total waste of a draft pick. If money was an issue in the first round, he's certainly not going to accept lower round money. He'll head off to college and improve his skill set. Spend your early draft picks on guys you have a reasonable chance to sign. They aren't drafting so a bunch of us and be overjoyed that the took a name brand. If he's there in the late rounds, it's worth taking a shot. But, not in any round before the 15th. You're just wasting an opportunity to grab a potential talent. |
| 390. By: Jason A. Churchill on 06-10-2009 09:58:29 No, it's a good pick if you sign him. He'll sign, you just have to pay him close to his original asking price. Not uncommon at all. Stassi is a great chance to save the draft for the M's, but they are very unlikely to spend the money. And I have no idea where you get "not in any round before the 15th." Make it up, or was it a guess? |
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