|By Jason A. Churchill||By 11-19-2011|
|1. By: Gibbo on 11-19-2011 22:51:01|
Yeah I agree totally now is the time to do it. Would love to see what Figgins, League and a lot of cash would get from the Reds.
Jason would that be enough to get one of their young catchers or would we need to add more?
|2. By: Jason A. Churchill on 11-19-2011 23:56:39|
Let me ask you this, Gibbo.
Would Huston Street and Ian Stewart, plus $6 million cash get Dustin Ackley from Seattle?
|3. By: Gibbo on 11-20-2011 00:24:37|
Right, so they are that good. What would be a realistic get then?
|4. By: docsmith on 11-20-2011 05:17:40|
No....yes if they gave me half of the $6 million....but otherwise, no.
|5. By: jgstecker on 11-20-2011 06:41:30|
The new free agency compensation rules make it more beneficial to trade League too. Under the old rules he'd probably have been a Type A and would've brought back two picks if he repeated his 2011 numbers. Although he might not get an arbitration offer next year.
I have to think League is a better option than guys like Francisco, Nathan, Capps, and Cordero. Those guys all have their warts too, and at least League can say he never gave up his closer's job.
To get a decent prospect in return, I think the team will need to give up some kids along with League. That way the team acquiring him gets some kind of future return and not just a rental.
Cincinnati makes a ton of sense here since they have future needs at positions we have depth at. Maybe League, Campos, Saunders/Peguero, and Triunfel/Martinez for Volquez and Grandal?
|6. By: Marlin Man on 11-20-2011 11:17:06|
I think any team that would plan from day one of the season to have League be the closer, will NOT be a legit contender- he is NOT that level of a closer. HOWEVER, I do think he might be about the best "deadline trade bait" I have seen us carry for many years, and Z will indeed get his just reward for so doing- because there will always be a legit contender that will look around at deadline and attempt to make a silk purse out of a sows ear- because of true need and lack of options- THAT is where Brandon will bring us much more than what he is worth-
He is a set up man, plain and simple
|7. By: valencia on 11-20-2011 11:22:47|
League's value is too low now to acquire much. 1. Type-A doesn't exist, which is the main reason teams had no problem trading for good closers. 2. Type-A doesn't exist, so teams can just acquire Francisco, Nathan, Capps, Cordero, etc. and not give up a prospect.
Our best bet is a mid-season deadline trade to a contender, who's looking to reinforce the bullpen before the playoffs. I think this year's playoffs really put into perspective how important bullpens are in the playoffs, so they'll be in high demand.
If anyone wants League bad enough to offer more than he's worth, I say take it. Otherwise keep him, trade him in a package or as a rental at the deadline, and hope the 2-3 C+ prospects you get can end up average. Or just take the Type-B comp pick at the end of the year and hope you find a B+ level prospect.
|8. By: maqman on 11-20-2011 11:44:21|
I agree League isn't worth his cost to the team next season. Wilhelmsen or Lueke should get a shot and Z has already started building his bullpen pile for spring training. As Jason indicated he can be peddled as part of a package of parts we are deeper in and could pull back something of real value to us.
|9. By: Edman on 11-20-2011 17:34:58|
I completely disagree about two points.
One, the idea that League not being legitimate closer closer on a contending team. That's based on nothing factual, IMO. If he can close in Seattle, he can close anywhere. Paplebon gets $15 million a year for doing basically the same job as League, minus the strikeouts. In arbitration, he'll probably get around a third of that money.
Second, the thought that M's are "rebuilding" I don't believe is accurate. That's no longer true. They are "building", with pieces like Ackley, Seager, Pineda, Smoak, Wells, Carp, etc. Part of building is to stop experimenting. Right now, League is worth what he gets in arbitration. It allows the young arms to continue to develop into rolls, rather than throw them against the wall, and see which one sticks as a closer. No team gets better by constantly changing rolls. Besides, with the new changes in the CBA, and a team not being able to get first round compensation, League's best value will come for a team seeking a closer to make the playoffs. They are less likely to worry about compensation, and that is especially improved with the addition of more wildcard teams.
I don't see League traded without a huge amount of thought, and worth in what would be coming back to Seattle. And certainly NOT in a deal to get rid of Figgins. He's a sunk cost, and it would be better for the M's to take a full loss, than to tip a scale to try to save a couple million dollars. You're paying him anyway, why not make him the utility guy. And who knows, maybe he improves his value so that he's worth more in a trade.
I don't think that the M's will trade League, unless it's a definite win deal for them. It would have to be a great package, and I doubt that Jack will approach any negotiation by putting him in a package. If I were him, I'd make him unavailable, unless you make it worth My while.
|10. By: rth1986 on 11-20-2011 23:16:51|
Cincinnati does match up remarkably well with the Mariners. Hopefully Jack will be talking with them a lot this winter, if not already. The Reds have one of the worst pitching staffs in the game and are pretty well stocked at C and 3B. The Mariners have pretty nice pitching depth and questions at 3B and a huge gaping hole at C.
I'm not crazy about trading League unless we get a high upside catcher or third basemen for him. Ryan Lavarnway, Devin Mesoraco and Yasmani Grandal would be the guys I'd target for League. Juan Francisco is certainly interesting, but I'm not sure he's that much better of a bet than Seager, Liddi, Martinez, or Catricala (if he's a 3B).
League isn't an elite closer, but he does seemingly have untapped potential in his split change. I have no idea how/why he doesn't strike out more batters than he does. I thought I remembered somewhere where League said he started to pitch to contact more with Seattle. Either way, the ownership seems to love League and I bet they will try to lock him up to a team-friendly deal. A 3 year/$15 million deal wouldn't be terrible for either side.
|11. By: rocketdawg31 on 11-21-2011 04:39:34|
Hello fellow PI people -
I'm still in Seoul, South Korea until tomorrow, but I've really shitty news to report: Mariner OF prospect Greg Halman was killed in Rotterdam Monday, stabbed to death.
His 22-year-old brother is being held as the chief suspect in the slaying.
Prayers to the Halman family. This is just lousy to hear about.
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