|By Chris Crawford||By 02-02-2013|
|1. By: Wishhiker on 02-02-2013 01:53:57|
Dave Cameroon purposes that the idea that players don't want to play in Safeco started this offseason. I think Griffey was the first rider on that bus that's been packed pretty full since. In a lot of cases that's speculation though. I'm not saying that it's true to say no players want to play here, but there is about 15 years of evidence to support the idea that some don't. It didn't start this year. Yeah, its been overstated quite a bit, including by me a time or 2. We don't know who don't or have an idea of percentages or comparisons to other parks and cities. I think we'd all agree that winning would improve the situation either way.
|2. By: DKulich44 on 02-02-2013 04:35:14|
I like that article from Dave, his main point is that we should expect the Mariners to be in a place where they need to overpay for Free Agents because of their on field product, location, ballpark, etc. they simply haven't done that. Sure Seattle doesn't look desirable, but throwing money would change that opinion quickly. For better or worse, the Mariners have chosen to remain undesirable by not overpaying. Bad judgement of the market or because it's not part of their plan, the ball is in their court.
|3. By: maqman on 02-02-2013 11:06:15|
As Wishhiker noted winning will improve the situation significantly. Winning puts butts in seats and gets respect from players. Pitchers should obviously be more attracted to playing here, given the park effects and defense behind them, hitters not so much. Hamilton didn't want our deal as much as the Angels, plus given their perception of being contenders and the great weather in southern California those things matter too. However, Mike Morse had a different perspective and is happy to come here. People are just different, that's reality, teams and towns are different likewise. Lots of different things matter more or less to every player and at different points in their careers, saying players won't come to Seattle because it sucks is disingenuous. Consider the fact that there are a lot of very good players on our farm teams that really, really want to come to Seattle.
|4. By: thirdbase22 on 02-02-2013 11:36:44|
Either the Mariners will "suck" or ZIPS sucks. We'll find out soon which school is correct.
|5. By: DKulich44 on 02-02-2013 11:43:35|
That's terrible logic. If the Mariners are better than their ZiPS projection and all 29 teams are right on, ZiPS did a pretty good job. In the past, it's been one of the most accurate projection systems. I'd expect it to continue to do a pretty decent job, Mariners record whatever it is.
|6. By: dewey on 02-02-2013 20:14:27|
Alot of articles being written saying WAR isnt the end answer it seems like they have three diffrent ways to do all this stats stuff who is to say what one is the best if good at all? Im not a math guy but it seems to me these guys can make the numbers look any way they want to.I remember about 5 years ago Jose Lopez was ranked the top defensive 2b in A.L. and he couldnt move seems odd.just sayin
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