|By Jason A. Churchill||By 11-23-2012|
|1. By: Shawnuel on 11-23-2012 21:19:40|
Jason, what, if anything, did your contacts have to say about Carson Smith?
|2. By: Jason A. Churchill on 11-23-2012 21:22:48|
He really struggled with FB command. Same with Bawcom. Kind of on and off. Very small sample with relievers, though. Raw stuff for both suggest 7th inning, maybe 8th, but have some cleaning up to do.
|3. By: sexymarinersfan on 11-23-2012 21:35:18|
Shawnuel beat me to it.
JAC, would you go to 4-years with Napoli? And why do you believe they are even inquiring on him in the first place? I can understand that he serves as an insurance policy to Justin Smoak. However Napoli wants to catch. I can't see him getting much time behind the dish when Zunino finally arrives.
Lastly if KC were to offer Wil Myers and they wanted to start with Taijuan Walker, in your best opinion, what would it take to get that done? Would you expect more change from KC OR SEA giving more change to finalize something like that?
|4. By: agcmmgdh on 11-23-2012 21:35:49|
Jason, do you think a trade for Wil Myers would be just Walker, or would the M's have to include more.
|5. By: Jason A. Churchill on 11-23-2012 21:40:51|
No idea... I don't even know if the two teams have has such discussions at this point. Butler was discussed, the two teams have certainly talked...
I would not even go 3 guaranteed. Not a big fan.
|6. By: agcmmgdh on 11-23-2012 21:44:08|
Sorry to post the same question. #3 wasn't up yet when I posted mine.
|7. By: Jason A. Churchill on 11-23-2012 21:57:14|
No worries. I didn't answer twice out laziness, not efficiency. ;)
|8. By: k0o56 on 11-23-2012 23:06:43|
Honest ignorance here - could someone please explain to me the clamor behind Pagan? I'd just to know what I'm not seeing/understanding. He seems like a player who played well in his contract year which, to me, foreshadows buyer's remorse (Gary Matthews Jr?). I'm not all too familiar with him other than his playoff performance.
|9. By: agcmmgdh on 11-23-2012 23:30:43|
Not saying you have to agree or disagree, but Dave Cameron wrote an article over at fangraphs that I think pretty much sums up why people are high on him. Check it out if you want to....
|10. By: short on 11-23-2012 23:32:06|
On the hypothetical 3-way deal to land Choo and Upton I'm just not seeing enough excess value above salary for those players to be worth the proposed players the M's would give up. Choo was worth maybe a couple million more last year than he'd earn next year.
With Upton you have to assume he's the 6 win player from 2011 and not the 2.5 win player from this year. His career road stats of 90 wRC+ make it really clear that he's a creature of his home hitting-friendly environment. For his whole career he's been a below-league-average hitter on the road. That's a huge risk to take for $38.5 million plus prospects. According to Fangraphs Michael Saunders was worth only .2 wins less than Upton in 2012. Saunders is unlikely to put up 6 WAR, but there's no reason to believe Upton will outside the stadium in Phoenix.
I don't think the M's have enough talent to deal players other than relievers or middle infielders. We have one great and two decent pitchers in the rotation right now. Odds are only one of the "big three" makes the majors as a quality starter. We really shouldn't deal any of them. I'd much rather see the team improved by spending money that isn't mine.
|11. By: Gibbo on 11-24-2012 00:14:18|
i like the idea of moving a prospect swap for Myers, we deal from strength and could still add other pieces without gutting the farm too.
|12. By: amac360 on 11-24-2012 00:37:18|
I really dont like the idea of a Choo rental for just one year. How about sending Choo to Zona and not including Saunders? Or have the Tribe keep Choo, and add in Brad Miller or Stephen Romero to get Bauer to come to us...
|13. By: dewey on 11-24-2012 06:51:47|
Im with you on Napoli yes 20 plus HR but poor defense and no real position C/1B/DH and 4 years would be a huge mistake 2might be the right number but when Zunino comes in late 13 and Montero is your DH then what? Unless they our unloading Smoak? Jason have you ever seen Myers ? Is he the cats meow or just another prospect?
|14. By: sexymarinersfan on 11-24-2012 08:29:30|
I read a scouting report on him that said he used to be a catcher and that he could basically play any position well. Apparently the Royals fell in love with his bat like the Nationals did with Harper, so they decided to accelerate his readiness to the bigs by converting him to becoming an OF.
|15. By: titans12 on 11-24-2012 08:59:30|
The 3 way deal is very interesting. The Indians make out the best but Arizona would not make that deal without more talent included.Each team would have to kick in more talent. Also we are on Uptons no trade list.
|16. By: marinerforever on 11-24-2012 09:07:25|
Wow talk about a no brainer that's a slamdunk yes on the three way trade
So trade saunders hultzen and receive upton and choo even if u have to add a couple pieces to the trade as long as it isn't franklin or zunnino make it happen
Then goto the royals and off either paxton or walker plus shawn kelly and casper wells for will myers
Then pony up to go get zack grenkie
Have a rotation
Plus you would still have some depth with brandon mauer and either paxton or walker
|17. By: Paul Martin on 11-24-2012 09:13:26|
Jason, I agree with you on Napoli. If the M's don't sign him, Swisher, or Hamilton, where do they spend their $$$???
I am all for signing a pitcher (Greinke) and trading for a bat or two...
|18. By: jazon_24 on 11-24-2012 09:22:48|
Would we have a better deal (for the Royals) if we swap Hultzen for Walker? I know that Walker has a higher upside, but Hultzen seems like the lower risk and is probably 3 months to a year closer to the major leagues. It seems to me that the Royals would prefer the guy that is closer to major league ready.
|19. By: Edman on 11-24-2012 09:38:21|
In regard to Free Agents in general, if you are willing to overpay in some regard, then just stick to a rebuilding plan internally. Teams seldom sign a contract that isn't an overpay.
Play, or pretend. If you never bet, you can never win.
|20. By: maqman on 11-24-2012 10:28:52|
Don't like the three-way deal. Choo is a one season rental, he's a Boras client. Upton will play way worse in Safeco compared to Arizona. Don't like the Napoli deal either, for all the reasons Jason stated. We just cut loose one four year bad contract, why consider another for a guy we don't need? Meyer could be doable and worthwhile. I'd offer Hultzen, Noesi and one of Pryor or Capps. You could swap out Beavan for Noesi if you had to.
|21. By: d2ret on 11-24-2012 13:03:08|
Paxton, Franklin, Romero, Guttierez and Pryor for Upton, Bauer
|22. By: d2ret on 11-24-2012 13:10:07|
If the character issues are true, its a shame. Please stay away Z.
An Upton/Bauer deal looks good on paper, for both sides (except people dont seem to accept Franklin as a SS)
|23. By: d2ret on 11-24-2012 13:23:47|
A big shakeup deal is in line. We've got the proper depth to do it. Especially @ 2nd and catcher (Jaso, Marder, Hicks)
|24. By: rjfrik on 11-24-2012 22:40:54|
If the M's sign Napoli to anything more then a 1 year contract I think I just might be done with them for a bit.
JZ already screwed the pooch by not extending Beltre and making Figgins as his "big" signing. If he goes out and essentially overpays for the next Figgins I'm done. I can't deal with that ineptitude.
Living in LA the Dodgers keep rubbing off on me more and more as each year goes by. I grew up with the M's and I'm loyal but I'm not sure I can deal with a front office that would target Mike Napoli as their savior. He shouldn't even be in the realm of possibility and the damn M's are having meetings with him? Ugh
|25. By: slamcactus on 11-25-2012 11:30:17|
I've mentioned this in another thread, but what makes you think any (reasonable) amount of money would have kept Beltre in Seattle? He made exactly the right move for his career - he moved from a park that suppressed right-handed offense so much that he was considered one of the great busts of the decade to one that helped him produce at an elite level, and then signed a lucrative contract somewhere else where he could succeed without trying to re-invent his swing and approach.
|26. By: rjfrik on 11-25-2012 13:31:20|
|27. By: rjfrik on 11-25-2012 13:33:19|
They never even offered him. They never even tried a tender. Why? If we would have at least offered the guy a tender we would have received compensation in the draft (sox 1st round pick) for losing him in FA. Bottom line is we should have at least showed interest in my opinion.
|28. By: slamcactus on 11-25-2012 14:44:11|
So one of JZ's biggest mistakes, according to you, is not making a futile offer to a player whose agent said early, often, and very publicly that he was looking for a 1-year contract with a team that plays in a hitters' park. Huh.
|29. By: slamcactus on 11-25-2012 14:46:43|
Also, they offered Beltre arbitration. He was a type-B free agent, and the team got a compensation pick out of it. That pick turned into Taijuan Walker.
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