|By Jason A. Churchill||By 11-09-2012|
|1. By: docsmith on 11-09-2012 04:02:06|
My "arm-chair" philosophy on team building is more based on building the entire roster around average to well above average players maybe with a superstar or near superstar at a couple of positions. But solid players at all 25 spots (definitely all the starting spots) and eliminate weak links/holes.
That said, if I woke up one morning at we had traded half our farm for Stanton. I think the fan in me would just smile. If we have enough answers at other roster spots, it could even be the right move.
|2. By: davidyfsu on 11-09-2012 06:26:01|
Hi Jason & team
Jon Paul Morosi of FoxSports wrote an article last night that the Reds might be willing to deal 1 of their young SS for a Closer or a OF. Would the M's be a match and what do you think of the Red's Zack Cozart and Didi Gregorius?
|3. By: greentunic on 11-09-2012 07:42:06|
Stanton is perhaps the single player I'd most like to have with the exception of maybe Trout. I can't imagine the backlash that even the relatively weak Marlin fanbase would unleash if they were to trade him, no matter what the package was.
I imagine they view him as we view Felix.
|4. By: masonb on 11-09-2012 08:20:32|
I'd say call the Marlins and up and tell them to name their price. He's cheap right now, so you could conceivably trade half the farm for him and then throw a lot of money at Greinke to offset the SP loss. This is where having a very deep farm system comes in handy. This team could trade two of Walker/Paxton/Hultzen, and a ton of position prospects and still be fine in the minors.
|5. By: Panhead55 on 11-09-2012 09:19:25|
We send them Felix and they send us Stanton and Buehrle. Buehrle is included to one, give us a serviceable pitcher, and two, gets Miami out of a bad contract so they can afford Felix. We then have a cost controlled monster bat and we still have our prospects. Then we spend the money and sign Greinke to a 6 or 7 year contract. A rotation of Greinke, Buehrle, Vargas, Iwakuma, and Ramirez and the addition of Stanton to the lineup will allow us to compete and allow more development time for Walker, Paxton, Hulzen, and Maurer.
|6. By: Jazz00 on 11-09-2012 10:11:19|
Panhead55, I like how you think. That would be a bold move but I like the idea of truly upgrading our hitting instead taking chances on guys resurrecting another year of good hitting because their past their prime. I say call the Marlins up and begin the process of feeling them out.
|7. By: maqman on 11-09-2012 11:10:40|
Stanton is only a dream but for him or Trout the only answer is who do you want?
|8. By: Panhead55 on 11-09-2012 13:09:49|
Sometimes you have to make bold moves. Last year at this time we could have traded Felix for Trout and then some. No more.
|9. By: Edman on 11-09-2012 14:20:32|
More remote than finding gold in a stream. As much as some would like it to happen, it won't, unless Seattle overpays to a point that it hurts more than it helps.
|10. By: iheartfelix on 11-09-2012 15:51:27|
We should have gone harder after this guy last year. I would have gladly given up Pineda and then some to get Stanton instead of Montero. And yes, I was saying that at the time of the Montero deal.
|11. By: iheartfelix on 11-09-2012 15:53:26|
It sure makes you wonder doesn't it... If we had gone with Montero instead of Smoak like it looked like we were gonna do, we never wouldn't have had to trade Pineda for him later, and who knows what could have happened.
|12. By: Edman on 11-09-2012 17:45:41|
iheartfelix, two things.
1. You make a very bold assumption that Florida undervalued Stanton enough that they would have traded him to Seattle.
2. The "what if" game is imperfect. Again, it assumes that all things stay the same in different environments. That's why I don't play that game.
I try not to wonder about things that didn't happen. And I try not to assume that because we would want someone to be a Mariner, doesn't mean they were ever available. Stanton is a major talent, and Florida was never going to make him available, unless it was a big overpay that made since with what they were trying to do.
|13. By: iheartfelix on 11-09-2012 18:04:06|
first of all I'm not saying anything would have happened I'm saying it's interesting to think about what could have happened. One thing is a fact. Had the Mariners traded Cliff Lee for Jesus Montero instead of Justin Smoak they would not have traded Michael Pineda for Jesus Montero... because they would have had him already.
If you don't like to play the "what if game" that's fine, but some people do because some people are just gluttons for Mariners related pain. These are the same people that are still pissed about the Jeff Clement pick and the Adam Jones trade. I believe there is a name for these people... I think they're called fans.
|14. By: Wishhiker on 11-09-2012 20:19:40|
Way over the top. I'd call them sadists personally.
Let's go that route. So Texas still has Smoak. Nothing saying he doesn't have a decent year there in a more hitter friendly environment. Then gets traded for Pineda. Could be almost exactly the same except worrying about Pineda coming back with Texas to make us regret the deal. Meanwhile Smoak had a decent year with Texas first and it's now another hitter that stopped hitting when they came here. Coulda happened. We even could have given up more to get him.
|15. By: CottonmouthKarl on 11-09-2012 22:44:00|
Fun Stanton fact of the day: Giancarlo hit 21 home runs in 55 road games in 2012. That's a HR in 38% of road games played, tops in MLB. Also well over 50% oh his hits were XBH's.
Well known fact: He is the strongest everyday hitter in MLB. Probably.
Lesser known fact: Ike Davis is right up there with 59% of his road hits going for extra bases. 43/73 , including 21 road homers. His iso slg% on the road was .305 in 2012. It's time for a scenery change, I'll take Ike for a fraction of Stanton's cost in a trade.
|16. By: dawgncarolina on 11-09-2012 23:28:53|
Miami wouldn't deal Stanton straight up for Felix, let alone Stanton plus.
Stanton's a superstar who isn't paid like one. Not getting him without a ridiculous package.
|17. By: Panhead55 on 11-10-2012 00:15:44|
Buehrle is not a plus. If Miami could walk away from his contract they'd do so in a New York heartbeat. He is due to make $11mil in 2013, $18mil in 2014, and $19mil in 2015. He is nothing more than a very high priced, aging, declining, innings eater. I included him in the my suggested trade so that Miami could stomach Felix's salary. Including Buehrle in the trade scenario sweetened the pot for Miami not Seattle.
|18. By: dawgncarolina on 11-10-2012 00:43:45|
Got ya, should have looked into it more closely. In that event, you're on the right track. Well done.
|19. By: Panhead55 on 11-10-2012 09:21:04|
Thanks Dawg. Let's also not forget that owner Jeff Loria added a ton of payroll last year much to his regret. Now he'd like to reverse those trades if possible. He got rid of Heath Bell but had to send cash as well. He'd love nothing better than to shed Beuhrle's albatros of a contract. I think if we offered Felix for Stanton and were willing to take on Buehrle and his salary Loria would certainly listen. GM Hill would probably say no, but Loria has been known to override his GM.
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