|By Chris Crawford||By 10-30-2012|
|1. By: sexymarinersfan on 10-30-2012 14:43:51|
Ask and ye shall receive.
Seattle acquires: Billy Butler and Alex Gordon
Kansas City acquires: Jesus Montero, Blake Beavan, James Paxton, Nick Franklin, Andrew Carraway.
That'd be a lot, but it's about what it would take. If they wanted more, no deal!
|2. By: short on 10-30-2012 15:20:54|
A quick comp between Butler and Montero for their first full seasons. Montero (age 22): .260/.298/.386, wRC+ 90. Butler (age 22): .275/.324/.400 wRC+ 90. Butler had fewer PA's which is why had the same wRC+ with better slash numbers. Montero struck out a bit more -- that's the main difference. Basically if we traded him for Butler we're just sort of buying an accelerated timetable + certainty on the same player for cash and some other talent. I'm not against the idea, but it's kind of a "win now" move if we give up too much young pitching.
If they get Butler without dealing Montero he can sit in AAA for a year and learn first base in case Smoak stumbles, but he'll be blowing up the pitching there by next September. The M's would need to find a place for him.
|3. By: Jerry on 10-30-2012 15:51:03|
I like Butler, but this would only make sense in the M's were moving a lot of other guys around. With Jaso, Montero, and Smoak already playing DH/1B/C, adding someone else to the mix would create a logjam unless there were other guys moving around.
Then we get to the issue of whether or not Butler is a clear upgrade over Montero. I'm not sure he is, long-term.
I think Montero and Butler are very comparable players. If you look at Butler's minor league and early ML stats, they are pretty similar. If the M's give up on Montero as a catcher, I think that he will likely end up as a Billy Butler clone. Obviously, Montero carries a bit of risk, and might not hit immediately. But he also still has a bit of upside to become better than that.
So, basically, the M's would be trading a riskier young/cheaper player for a similar, more established/expensive player, while likely having to give up some pitching too. Seems questionable unless the M's are pretty convinced that Montero isn't going to ever hit.
Additionally, by picking up Butler, the M's lose the ability to use the DH spot to rest guys, or take advantage of platoons.
Finally, is Butler that much better than a platoon DH? Maybe Johnny Gomes and Travis Hafner? Or some lefty bat and Casper Wells? Wells kills lefties, and should play against them as much as possible. Would it perhaps just make more sense to get him a nice platoon partner, maintain a bit of roster flexibility (especially with the team carrying Jaso), and call it good? Obviously, I'd rather have Butler all else being equal. But all else isn't equal, as it will cost talent and a bit of cash to get Butler.
|4. By: Jerry on 10-30-2012 15:53:22|
How about Paxton and Beavan for Wil Myers?
|5. By: sexymarinersfan on 10-30-2012 15:56:46|
I'd do that, but I'm not so sure that KC would.
|6. By: pwhit44 on 10-30-2012 17:24:23|
I feel like this series of target posts is building to an Alex Gordon climax! That entry is just around the corner! It's the best it for the Mariners an Royals. I can almost taste the post (and the impending trade) right now... Wait for it...
|7. By: iheartfelix on 10-30-2012 20:48:06|
I don't think there is any chance of Beaven and Paxton bringing back Wil Myers. Beaven is replacement level at best, and Paxton is a fine prospect, but has had control issues throughout his career and has never pitched above AA.
I think KC is looking for someone that can plug into the middle of their rotation from day one, and neither of those guys fit the bill. Not to mention that they are probably counting on Myers to replace Francoeur who posted a wRC+ of 77 last year.
|8. By: iheartfelix on 10-30-2012 21:56:48|
the M's trading pitching for a bat only guy... I think I've seen that episode already. Give me Myers or Gordon, otherwise I think I'll just hold onto that pitching and increase my odds of getting at least 1 or 2 legit big leaguers out of "cerberus"
|9. By: short on 10-30-2012 22:49:08|
KC and Seattle have looked like perfect trade partners for a couple of seasons now, but after the year our top pitching prospects had I think it's gotten tougher. If either Hultzen or Paxton had demonstrated that they were ready to start in the majors next season we could pry loose a young hitter or maybe Gordon (and his salary) from the Royals. As it is we just don't have a lot of major-league-ready pitching talent to trade. Frankly the M's should probably be looking to add a couple of starters to those we currently have (I'm not including Iwakuma at this point). Right now our rotation is "Awesome. Ok. Who's that little guy?. Oh no. OH MY GOD!!!!"
Probably the most depressing thing about watching this team was how poorly the highly-touted young talent performed across the organization. I'm just not sure the M's can afford to give up talent at any position other than middle-infielder where they could trade one of Ackley, Franklin, Seager or Miller and probably be ok.
|10. By: maqman on 10-31-2012 12:42:37|
Butler isn't a good fit for the M's but Mike Moustakas is. He's young, in his age 25 year next season, put up 3.5 fWAR this year with +15.2 UZR/150 of defense at 3B. He could play 1B too. He would cost a lot less than Alex Gordon and have more value than Butler.
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