|By Chris Crawford||By 11-10-2012|
|1. By: marinerforever on 11-09-2012 23:01:36|
Okay so after thinking a lot this is my new offseason plan
Sign josh hamilton 5 125
Sign grenkie. 5 120
Trade stphen romero and either mauer or erasmo and shawn kelly to minesota for justin maureno and cash
This doubles payroll for one year but it moves up the timeline to compete and it is short term payroll increase and u give up no core prospects
|2. By: Rudolf on 11-10-2012 00:25:29|
Pass on LaRoche.
The above proposal ^ is pretty good, but here's what I would do:
Sign Greinke 6/140, 7/150, whatever it takes
Sign Swisher 5/75
Trade Paxton, Franklin, Smoak, Kelley for the best OF bat you can get.
Teach Montero 1B, no excuses. Rotate Montero, Swisher, and Jaso at 1B until Montero is fully comfortable.
Sign Ryan 3/10
Line-up by 2014:
1. Ackley 2B
2. Jaso DH
3. OF bat (Gordon, Upton, CarGo) LF
4. Swisher RF
5. Montero 1B
6. Seager 3B
7. Zunino C
8. Saunders/Gutierrez CF
9. Miller/Ryan SS
Bullpen = awesome!
On the Farm (AAA):
Walker, Maurer SP
Romero, Marder INF/OF
* We could wait until 2014 to buy a LF bat (Choo) instead of trading for one now and keep Paxton/Franklin/Smoak/Kelley. This will make 2013 a less competitive year but might serve the team best in the long run.
* By 2015 Walker will be ready to relieve Iwakuma, or Ramirez will be worth a good trade return. By 2016 the rotation should be the best in the league.
* If we pass on Greinke--which is likely-- we need to sign a stopgap #2 starter like Demptster or Marcum. Simply waiting for the big 4 to develop will take too long. The rotation needs another stud asap and it shouldn't be difficult to make it happen in 2013.
That's my plan. That, and don't sign LaRoche.
|3. By: iheartfelix on 11-10-2012 06:52:30|
I like your plan, but I would be shocked if even one of those things actually happened (fun to dream though). I am also not sure about Greinke. I would really like to see us get an extension in place with Felix before we throw big money at another pitcher. Say we sign Greinke at 7/150 like you proposed... wouldn't that just unneccesarily raise Felix's price tag? I can't imagine the King being the 2nd highest paid pitcher on this staff unless you ink him first, then get the FA deal done.
|4. By: maqman on 11-10-2012 10:43:17|
I'm sorry but I seem to disagree with most of the "dream" scenarios. LaRoche is coming off one good season which is probably not indicative of how he will perform in the coming years. Given that we have in-house options for 1B in Smoak, Carp, Montero, Jaso and Ackley it seems a waste of resources to needlessly sign a possible one-time wonder from the NL.
As I thought everyone thinks we need more offence, I don't see much sense in trying to sign Greinke, even if he would want to come here (same applies to LaRoche). I can see signing a back of the order arm as insurance but somebody like Scott Feldman whom put up 2.3 fWAR with the Rangers in their bandbox stadium this past season and is available as a free agent on a short term contract, who would greatly benefit from The Safe and our defense.
I'd sign Swisher, although he is going to be expensive, as he has hit well in Safeco and is neither damaged goods nor coming off of a career year. Then I'd trade for Denard Span from the Twins (has the same fWAR as Swisher) or Mike Moustakas (3.5 fWAR) from the Royals. The Twins and Royals need arms, we got some.
That would be a well done off-season IMO. Feel free to dissent.
|5. By: Panhead55 on 11-10-2012 11:08:23|
I'm all in on signing Greinke. The price tag for Felix will be "the market" regardless of whether we sign Greinke or not. Felix will command $25+ a year. Depending upon his asking price and depending upon the development of Walker, Paxton, Hulzen, Maurer, Ramirez, etc, we may not want to resign Felix. After all the Cardinals let Pujols walk for the betterment of the franchise. If we don't resign Felix, it would sure be nice to have Greinke signed long term. If we have them both and we find ourselves in the playoffs, the sky is the limit.
|6. By: rotoenquire on 11-10-2012 11:40:31|
The M's ruffly have 70 million on the books. The M's also could look to try and dump some of that, all be it a small amount off onto other teams. If they could find a suitor for Figgins for a bag of balls, if the M's ate all but 1-2 Million of his deal.
The M's have raised there Payroll too about 92 Million. having 22 Million on the table to work with. I was in the hope it would be closer to 30 Million.
The M's have been named too be in on Hamilton, Swisher and Napoli. Swisher will command about 15 Million while Napoli would be in the 8-10 Million range.
Napoli is the one player that makes the best sense for the M's, he will NOT cost you a draft pick. With his price tag works well for teh M's.
The Giants also have been getting a lot of phone calls regarding B. Belt 1B/OF and the M's have been known to be interested in the past.
In either case the M's talking at all but Hamilton does not look good for Smoak. Napoli, Swisher and Belt all could supplant him at firstbase, Smoak could find himself part of a trade with a young pitcher to add another bat.
|7. By: VikingArthur on 11-10-2012 11:56:20|
Am I reading this right? People are advocating for signing Grienke and letting Felix walk? That is absurd. Not only is Grienke not in Felix's league but Felix is OUR guy. We have plenty of young arms... we had two aces before and how did that work out? Without a big offensive upgrade signing Grienke will do next to nothing for our franchise except for cost us payroll flexibility. Let someone else overpay for a good, not great, pitcher and lock up Felix to a monster extension and go from there.
|8. By: rotoenquire on 11-10-2012 11:56:32|
The M's could afford both Grienke and Napoli and both do make sense. However I think if they were to target a pitcher Haren would be more likely.
Bullpen Stays the same.
Lirano to a 1 year insentive deal. Maybe a trade involving Smoak and a pitcher to add an OF bat Maybe Prado?
|9. By: iheartfelix on 11-10-2012 13:24:16|
You say that, "The price tag for Felix will be "the market" regardless of whether we sign Greinke or not."
I think it is a pretty well documented fact that when a player is a free agent and is actually on the "open market" his contract is driven up by the necessity for teams to top eachother's bids. It is cheaper to sign a player to an extension before he reaches the end of his deal, and that is what the Mariners would do with Felix (assuming they keep him... please God let them keep him.)
If you had to pay the same ammount of money to extend a player before he reached free agency as you did a player in free agency, why would you ever do it? All that would do is put more risk on the team, while saving no money.
It is completely reasonable to assume that if a contract extension for Felix is signed this offseason it will be for less than "market value".
|10. By: iheartfelix on 11-10-2012 13:28:57|
Oh and if you would rather pay free agent dollars to Grienke than extension dollars to King Felix then... You know what I'm so dumbfounded I can't even come up with some clever way to mock that idea... that's how stupid it is.
|11. By: Panhead55 on 11-10-2012 15:33:49|
If you can extend Felix then do so. I believe the Ms are exploring that as we speak. There is room to sign both. There is also a dollar figure amount where it would be unwise to extend Felix. Do you resign him if he wants $30 per? $32 per? How far should we go in dollars that might be used better elsewhere. Pujols priced himself out of the StL market. Why do you assume that couldn't happen with Felix? If in two years our young SPs become world beaters, and if our budget is limited, and if the price tag for Felix is astronomical, then YES, you let him walk and spend the $s where they are needed most
|12. By: iheartfelix on 11-10-2012 17:44:06|
I know there is a big influx of TV money coming into MLB right now but I really don't think we are near the $30MM per year range for a pitcher.
Matt Cain's 6/127 puts him just north of $21MM per year. I know Felix is better and younger, but as long as they don't let him hit the open market there is no way he even sniffs $30MM per.
|13. By: dangayle on 11-11-2012 19:31:43|
If we have Felix AND a bunch of world beaters (assuming we're winning), our budget would go up. We spent good money when we were winning.
|14. By: Panhead55 on 11-12-2012 05:52:14|
OK, let's also assume in our look at the future, that our young hurlers have stepped up and become world beaters, but because we have no offense, we are still not winning. Felix's new contract may consume 30% of the budget. It may well make more sense to let Felix walk and spend the money on bats. Don't get me wrong, Felix is my favorite player, but as with Pujols, a player's salary may get to a point that he is no longer a value. Felix is 26 years old and makes $20 mil/yr. He is the highest paid 26 year old in the league. As a pitcher he'll be entering his prime in two years. Unless he is signed to a hometown discount extension, he will have all the leverage in the world and someone will offer him $30+mil/yr. Let us also not forget that arms are inherently more of an injury risk than bats. There is a point where the Ms have to say no. I hope we can extend Felix at a reasonable salary, but if the Ms let him walk or trade him, I'll understand.
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