|By Jason A. Churchill||By 09-13-2011|
|1. By: jd7979 on 09-13-2011 20:10:32|
|2. By: krob4mvp on 09-13-2011 22:20:31|
Good stuff Jason. I don't know what it is about Zduriencik and his staff but I am fascinated by them as much if not more than any other facet of our organization. I truly believe in his ability and overall plan. I can't wait for the day till we get consistent quality baseball back in the northwest.
|3. By: docsmith on 09-14-2011 04:05:39|
Yep....agree. One of the things the recent improvements do is highlight just how bad things were before. Zduriencik and his team have made good if not remarkable progress to restoring the M's not only to a win now team but a team that can sustain winning. Something I am not sure we have ever had (closest would be late-90's, but that was mostly at the big league level). I am glad that he has a chance to continue what he has started. Sadly, I think we are a minimum of 2 yrs out from "contention," but a team being built well is much more watchable than what we have had recently. I can see this going somewhere.
|4. By: KingFelix on 09-14-2011 07:00:16|
I think 2012 is a key year for Jack in his rebuilding phase. He must get a key MOTO hitter to take the pressure off of Ackley, Smoak and Carp so we can score runs on a consistent basis.
|5. By: Shawnuel on 09-14-2011 08:17:30|
To be fair, I would label the "Figgins Fiasco" a huge strike against no one but Chone Figgins. You would be hard pressed to find many people who, at the time of the signing, thought it was a bad deal for the Mariners. Who really thought Chone would fall this far, this fast? But yeah......it ultimately will be assigned a failure on Jack's part, I suppose.
|6. By: marinerforever on 09-14-2011 08:23:00|
With all the time that carp is getting in left field makes me believe that all signs pointing to the moto bat being a huge run at prince feilder
I believe that just by adding prince you become a really good offense
|7. By: docsmith on 09-14-2011 09:16:54|
That looks like it could be a good line up. But I do wonder if the Carp, Seager, Smoak, Guti and Ackley are all going to perform well in 2012. I think Ackley is a good bet, but nothing is for sure. Between Carp, Seager, Smoak and Guti I suspect a couple of them do not reach their ceiling/expectations or sustain their better performances from this year. So I still see ~2 holes, on top of SS/C/DH. You can include Wells and Robinson in that statement. This is just probability associated with young players. What I really appreciate about this team is we are now talking about players that really could develop and be good regulars. That is a huge improvement over a few years ago.
|8. By: VikingArthur on 09-14-2011 10:53:43|
I am NOT in favor of signing Fielder but I do understand the arguments for it. I suppose if you could get him with a 5 year contract I would be fine with it but he'll get 7 I'd guess which is too long for me.
I'm not worried about Ryan, he is a pretty damn good defender and not an embarassment with the bat. He is a reasonable 9 hole hitter. As for Olivo... take a look around the league, good catchers are near non-existent and the teams that have them are in no hurry to let them go, you have to develop catchers and Jack is trying. The plan is coming along well and I am in full support of what is going on.
|9. By: aerichner on 09-14-2011 11:12:32|
"As for Olivo... take a look around the league, good catchers are near non-existent "
This is true, the difference is that they dont bat them 4th, 5th or 6th :/
The argument is that our offense sucks and he has power but seriously, all he is is a rally killer. Bat him 8th already.
Peņa (DH, instead of Kennedy!!)
but thats for this year and they wont stick to one lineup because of all the young guys etc but that's my ideal lineup with what we have right now.
|10. By: aerichner on 09-14-2011 11:13:25|
Jim Bowden (i know) threw out an interesting idea about dealing Smoak+ for Shin Soo Choo and then signing Prince. It's as interesting idea to say the least. The "+" could be one of the surplus OFs we have so they can replace Choo. We can debate contracts and whatnot but just look at it in terms of the players since I do think (and its been mentioned here) the Mariners will have money for the right moves, looks good. Not a championship team yet but getting close. Do that this offseason and then a year after replace Olivo and maybe get a better bat at 3B and turn Seager into a supersub.
Here's the link tho it's for 'insiders' http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6949160/seattle-mariners-2011-fate-2012-prospects
|11. By: maqman on 09-14-2011 11:29:05|
Excellent analysis Jason, well done. I share your opinion of Jack Z, perhaps I'm a bit more of a fan of his and hope he gets more than two more years. How odd it seems to be talking about how good our GM is after the Bavasi years. That is a change for certain. Count me against trying to get Fielder. No doubt he would help for a few years but the back end of that deal would cripple the club.
|12. By: Edman on 09-14-2011 12:07:43|
Jim Bowden assumes that the Indians would trade Choo. A very bold assumption, and not likely. Not to mention that Prince Fielder might not want to be a DH. He may have thoughts that he's an adequate firstbaseman. And, he may expect to get most of his starts at first.
Carp can play adequately in LF, so it's not a huge issue. But, Smoak is young, a switch-hitter and cost controlled. That's pretty valuable.
They might deal Smoak, but I don't think it would be for Choo. First, he has to be available.
|13. By: Jason A. Churchill on 09-14-2011 12:15:20|
Choo will be available because of his contract situation and his agent being Scott Boras. It doesn't mean he absolutely WILL get traded, but he's going to be out there, no doubt about it.
As for Fielder-Smoak-Carp ... I'll talk about that in depth soon enough.
|14. By: baseballfan on 09-14-2011 12:46:35|
Good Article but again I'll be a grouch - AA became GM of the Jays after the 75 win 2009 season - 2011 is his 2nd season as GM not his 3rd.
|15. By: nater on 09-14-2011 13:56:23|
Great article, Jason. Unfortunately so many people judge performance based on immediate results, not process. I'm just glad the Suits are sticking with JZ for a few more years so when the results begin to materialize he will be around to take credit.
|16. By: Jason A. Churchill on 09-14-2011 15:17:15|
baseballfan... yes, my mistake on the years for AA. But the point stands, maybe even stronger.
So if Toronto doesn't win next year should AA be fired? of course not.
|17. By: rth1986 on 09-14-2011 17:06:36|
I definitely agree that Zduriencik deserves a chance to finish this out. For the most part, he's done a great job. In my opinion, a couple questionable aspects are:
1) His ability to assemble a major league offense. We can applaud the good process, but we can't overlook the results. The Mariners offense has been historically bad in 2 of the 3 years he's been in office. That should not happen, if under a great GM. I'm shocked that he hasn't been able to get at least close to a league-average offense since 2009. Again, his process has been good (I even approve the risk move of Bradley), but...wow.
2) His selection and handling of managers. I really liked Wakamatsu and realize there was likely more (negative things) going on behind the scenes than what was let on. However, I can't believe they fired him so quickly. Eric Wedge might be better in the clubhouse, but I hate his aggressive offensive mentality (which has led to historically bad strikeout numbers and encouraging a hacking approach at the plate) and lineups. I think Wedge can certainly be blamed for this historically bad offensive season. From his long leash on Carlos Peguero (and favoring him over Carp) to praising Olivo's approach (and batting him 4th), and finally batting Kennedy at DH in September. I certainly question his thought process and I do worry about the development of young guys like Ackley, Seager, Carp and Smoak if Wedge is going to push some of that aggressive mentality on them.
Zduriencik seems to be a forward-thinking GM, and he needs a forward-thinking manager on the field. Wedge isn't one of them.
It's too late to change the course now, but I have serious doubts as to whether Wedge is the right choice to lead this club to the playoffs.
|18. By: rth1986 on 09-14-2011 17:10:27|
Oh, and if you're going to bat a veteran at DH, then why not see what Pena can do in 50+ more plate appearances. I'm surprised that the M's haven't given Pena more playing time. He may not have developed as much as his AAA numbers suggest, but he's still a sleeper candidate and a guy I wished the M's would've given regular playing time down the stretch.
I can see them giving guys like Robinson, Wells, Carp, and Saunders extra time over him, but Kennedy???
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