|By Jason A. Churchill||By 02-03-2009|
|MLB - Garrett Olson||23-24||5.36||165.0||6.06||4.91||40.4|
|MLB - Rich Hill||26-29||4.52||337.2||8.24||3.65||35.4|
|MiLB - Olson||21-24||321||8.9||2.9||$9m||11.045|
|MiLB - Hill||22-26||451.2||12.4||4.6||A-3||5.171|
|1. By: Slurve on 02-03-2009 15:01:53|
Let's say Olson develops an above average breaking ball What would his ceiling be then?
|2. By: Jason A. Churchill on 02-03-2009 15:21:51|
If nothing else got noticeably better?
Solid No. 4.
|3. By: 01v-dubs on 02-03-2009 15:58:29|
Jason why is it that RRS is thought to not have much of a high ceiling? His FB can get into the low 90's and can hit 93-94 once in a while, and he has a solid CB and change, and he's shown an ok slider. A couple of years ago BA said what was holding him back was a lack of a true out pitch, but it seems to me that his CB has that potential.
It seems to me that he could be a solid #3 given his variance of quality pitches, solid control, and presumed durability.
|4. By: Jason A. Churchill on 02-03-2009 18:53:50|
RRS is further along in his development and has a little bit less projection left in him, despite the age similarities.
At times in the minors, Olson has consistently pitched into the 6th and 7th innings, sustaining 90-92 mph velo and an above average curve and change.
The difference there is that RRS has always shown problems sustaining his stuff much past 90-100 pitches, which is why he was pushed into the pen in the first place.
There certainly isn't a big difference between each pitchers' stuff and potential future, though, and RRS is better right now, for sure.
|5. By: littlelinny6 on 02-03-2009 19:33:05|
Jason, I think all this discussion begs the question. Are both Olson and RRS better than Washedup right now? If so and the M's definitely try to move him, how much money do you think they have to eat of this contract for it to be possible, $5 million??
|6. By: Jason A. Churchill on 02-03-2009 19:36:37|
Yes and that depends on what they are getting in return and if they are willing to send another play with Washburn.
|7. By: littlelinny6 on 02-03-2009 20:05:27|
It is a sad commentary that two guys making peanuts basically have no shot at Washburn's rotation spot solely due to salary. I still cannot figure out how Washburn, throwing 90% 85 mph fastballs gets guys out, I guess just some luck. Gutierrez, Chavez, and Ichiro better stretch well before the games when he pitches...haha. What do scouts say about Washburn? Have you heard any inking that anyone is really interested in him?
|8. By: Jason A. Churchill on 02-03-2009 20:35:47|
Who says they have no shot?
I don't remember hearing anything even remotely close to that coming from anyone's mouth, either directly or in decipherable code.
But honestly, the difference on the mound between RRS, Olson and Washburn isn't much in either direction.
Salary aside, there's a good chance Washburn out-pitches both of them and is the better man for the job.
The problem is that he's not part of the future, has limited value to the M's because of that, and the two players he'd be pitching in front of may have a long-term future in Seattle.
This isn't about RRS and Olson being so far and away better pitchers, because that's not the case, particularly with Olson, who was actually a better pitcher than Olson last season - 4.78 FIP to 5.20 - and though RRS's overall FIP is better at 4.62, his FIP as a starter is about equal to Washburn's.
This just comes down to the futures of all three pitchers. Washburn isn't getting better and RSS and Olson aren't getting worse.
|9. By: Edman on 02-05-2009 09:20:24|
I'm thrilled to get Olson in the deal. I was expecting a A ball fringe prospect, at most. Olson pitched a great game at Safeco last year. I saw and article about him where his manager thought it was just a matter of him relaxing. It's a very common condition with kids, until they get comfortable in the majors.
As far as Hill goes, I wouldn't have given up much to get him. His control problems are huge. He hasn't found control in the Vennie Leauge this Winter, without much pressure. And, I certainly wouldn't assume he's simply going to snap out of it.
I don't think you can go wrong with either Olson or RRS. Competition is a good thing. Both will hopefully come out of Spring with their best foot forward.
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