| By Jason A. Churchill |  | By 05-01-2010 |
Unless the Seattle Mariners show interest in Jermaine Dye, Gary Sheffield or Carlos Delgado to levels they have yet to explore, the pickings are slim when it comes to bolstering a bad lineup.Getting Cliff Lee back is big for the Seattle Mariners, but after 23 games it's still apparent that there is a rather large void or two in the middle of the offensive lineup.
Scoring runs is a problem -- 82 runs in 23 games and posting a team on-base percentage of .308, good for No. 12 in the 14-team American League is not going to cut it. They don't make up for any lack in OBP by hitting the ball out of the ballpark, as they've tallied just none home runs this season and own the worst HR ratio of any team in either league.
Yes, it's been less than a full month, and yes, things can and will change for the better; Chone Figgins is going to improve his batting average and on-base numbers considerably, Jose Lopez will certainly be better than the line he put up in April and Milton Bradley, after a 1-for-22 start, is 11-for-35 with four walks and six extra-base hits.
Ichiro had a great month of April, as did Franklin Gutierrez, but Gutierrez has been incredibly lucky thus far and is certainly going to take a hit in his AVG/OBP lines thanks to an unsustainable BABIP of .412.
But the fact that it's just 23 games in doesn't change the club's need for more offense. There's no chance Seattle wins the division scoring just over 3.5 runs per games, and in order to score more, they have to get on base more and hit for a little bit more power.
Can the minor league system help?
Yes and no, but mostly no. There isn't a soul in the farm system ready to come up to the big leagues, hold down a job regularly and produce consistently at the plate to be considered an upgrade to what the Mariners have at the position right now. Not Greg Halman, not Michael Saunders ... but Mike Carp could probably come up and sit in as the DH versus RHP and be an upgrade over Ken Griffey, Jr. But the thing is, that marginal upgrade does very little toward fixing the problems in the lineup.
Also, Carlos Peguero isn't the answer, either. More on Peguero in next week's Prospect Watch.
What about the bench?
Another marginal upgrade would be to slide Bradley to DH full time and start Eric Byrnes/Ryan Langerhans in left field. Much more is necessary, however.
There are a few other small, incremental improvements, including replacing Matt Tuiasosopo with Jack Hannahan and eventually and potentially replacing Hannahan with Ramon Vazquez.
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But again, it's a marginal swap out. Much more is needed.
Which brings us to the only possible solution: Finding help from outside the organization.
The Trade Market
Not many clubs are dealing high-quality talent right now unless a bad contract is attached. But there are a few opportunities that could and should be available as we get further into May.
Here they are.
Josh Willingham, Washington Nationals
The M's were connected to Willingham over the winter but nothing came to fruition, mostly due to two major factors, both of which still exist.
The Nationals are asking too much for Willingham, who is making $4.6 million this season, and Willingham's defense is considered below average. His UZR's are all over the map -- one year suggesting he's well above average, and the next saying he's well below. The scouting eye basically says he's below average but catches what he gets to. He's a little bit like former M's left fielder Raul Ibanez in that he's solid going back on balls, but doesn't come in on balls well, and offers below-average lateral range.
Willingham is also right-handed, not ideal for Safeco Field, and that asking price is still high. He'd be best suited for 1B or DH, too, which doesn't help the M's much, but if they believed he could hold down left in a DH/LF platoon split with Bradley, it may be a solid get.
Adam Dunn, Washington Nationals
Dunn is making $12 million in the final year of two-year pact and offers nothing but offense. Acquiring Dunn means very little to zero Griffey, making such an acquisition unlikely unless Junior is injured.
The trade cost could be prohibitive, too, since GM Mike Rizzo isn't big on selling for the sake of selling.
David DeJesus, Kansas City Royals
DeJesus would be a decent upgrade in left and offers moderate power that is generally achieved through doubles and triples rather than home runs. His salary isn't an issue, and the asking price probably wouldn't be, either, but he is injury prone and should be considered a secondary option.
Luke Scott, Baltimore Orioles; Travis Hafner, Cleveland Indians
Scott is the lefty version of Willingham, only he's off to a slow start, and Hafner has been terrible and is limited to DH duty -- making his acquisition similar to that of Dunn's.
Hafner's contract is also a problem -- he is guaranteed $41.25 million over the next three years. No chance Cleveland eats nearly enough of it to make him worth another thought.
Adrian Gonzalez, San Diego Padres; Prince Fielder, Milwaukee
Not happening.
The trade cost involved in acquiring either Gonzalez or Fielder is a price the Mariners just can't pay, because the inventory of young talent just isn't in the system and at their disposal.
Neither player is a rental -- both are free agents after the 2011 season, not after the current campaign -- and the market for each will huge, with Boston being at the head of the line for both.
Derrek Lee, Chicago Cubs
Lee is a rental, but if the Cubs fall out of contention he should be available as the club and player both are saying they will not negotiate a new contract during the season.
He's a right-handed hitter, but can hit nonetheless. It'd be an interesting get should the M's consider him.
Dan Uggla and Jorge Cantu, Florida Marlins; Magglio Ordonez, Detroit Tigers;
Uggla would have to agree to play third (or DH) and that isn't likely. Cantu isn't ideal, either, but could play third adequately and provide more patience than Lopez.
Ordonez is a bit of a reach, but he's defied trends that he's declining to get off to a huge start this season. He's making $18 million in the final guaranteed year of his deal, and the Tigers would have to fall on their faces, and fast, for him to be on the market.
Again, he's a right-handed bat, but like Lee, still a big upgrade over the current options.
If the Mariners acquired a 1B type, it probably doesn't mean Kotchman loses his job unless it's Gonzalez. He's so good defensively and isn't worthless at the plate himself. The combo of Kotchman and a newly acquired Dunn or Lee could work out a rotation at DH and 1B, with Dunn being a full-time DH, of course.
As the summer moves along and more teams fall out of the race or makes trade acquisitions of their own, more names could pop onto the trade market, such as Hideki Matsui should the Angels be out of it come July.
But I do have one more set of ideas. The catching tandem on this club is likable, shows flashes of being very good defensively and are young enough and cheap enough to want around for the foreseeable future. But they aren't hitting, and there could be opportunities for the Mariners improve dramatically at the plate by upgrading at catcher.
Bengie Molina, San Francisco Giants; Chris Snyder, Arizona Diamondbacks; Ivan Rodriguez, Washington Nationals
Molina is being pushed by prospect Buster Posey, but it might take all of June and most of July to convince the Giants that they should not only call up Posey, but that he should be their regular catcher.
Molina is on a 1-year deal.
Rodriguez might be a solid get if he's not asked to catch every day, and the Nationals have capable replacements in Triple-A Syracuse should they get a decent offer for Pudge.
Snyder is hitting .281/.369/.542 with four bombs, almost all since the injury to Arizona Diamondbacks starting catcher Miguel Montero. 'Zona isn't dealing Snyder until Montero returns and is nice and settled after returning from the DL, but they'd be happy to get something for Snyder after trying to give him away over the winter.
Snyder's back issue prevented the trade to Toronto for Lyle Overbay, but he's been handling the regular duties for two-plus weeks, so he appears to be healthy and strong enough for 60-70 percent of the catching time.
One scout I asked about Snyder, however, said "he's a stiff back there; has power (and) takes a lot of pitches away (because with his size he has problems covering the outer half)."
Still, he'd offer more offense than the current club is getting, or likely will get, from Adam Moore and Rob Johnson in 2010.
While it's not too early to panic, because we're not basing the freak-out mode we're in on 23 games, we are basing it on the evidence that suggests the very best the current roster can do offensively still wouldn't be enough, it's is too early to expect a major trade, and there may not be a trade out there that makes sense for Seattle.
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| 1. By: 200tang on 05-01-2010 05:02:22 How about Lance Berkman? |
| 2. By: Uncle Al on 05-01-2010 07:15:36 Nice write up. I like your idea of picking up another C that can hit. The Silva contract, Lee trade, and smaller budget is what's got us where we are. Getting Bradley for Silva was a big help but still cost $12.5M against the budget, when Lee fell into our laps, the trade had to be made but it was another $9M against the budget without any additional offensive help, and it appears the FO was right about attendance this year and should have lowered the budget. The biggest problem is still LF and DH with Bradley being the only help at all. Todays loss was really bad and there will be more even with the offense getting a little better. The bright side is that we've accumulated a wealth of pitching and the trade deadline will get us something. Z did everything he possibly could with what he had to work with and should sit and wait while his trade chips build in value. |
| 3. By: acqb1424 on 05-01-2010 07:42:50 I'm not sure I would blame the Lee trade on impacting our ability to get a bat, and the Silva trade did bring us a bat so I'm ok with that. What worries me is the declining budget. I know GM Z can do fine with a smaller amount to play with, but Jason why do you think the M's are cutting back? I mean we had Washburn, Beltre, Batista, Johjima and Branyan all come off the books, there should have been some money in there somewhere to add another bat. So even if you assume that losing Batista and gaining Lee is a budget wash, and the same can be said for the Beltre/Figgins swap, even factoring in the extra money in the Bradley trade, there still should have been money. I know we had the King's extension (which was awesome) and the extension for Guti, and that the bats on the market weren't that great, but how do we go from a team spending 100+ million on players to what we're spending now? Is it really because of the economy or do you see the M's continuing to drop the budget? |
| 4. By: Jason A. Churchill on 05-01-2010 08:54:45 Berkman has a full no-trade and isn't likely to waives it to go anywhere, and the Astros are too stupid to ask him to do so, anyway. They'd rather keep the hometown guy. acqb, Payroll isn't a problem. If the Mariners thought there was a hitter out there that could really help them, money would absolutely not stand in the way. Starting the year under 100 mil helps them if they want to make a deal mid-season. So don't worry about that part. The problem is finding players worthy of going over the current budget to acquire. |
| 5. By: AntsInIn on 05-01-2010 10:01:08 Granted he's entirely unproven and not even in our farm system, but what about Kila Kia'ahue of the Royals? He's got a really nice ISO and slugging percentage and is totally blocked in KC's system with Guillen DH-ing. Either that, or hopefully Nick Johnson gets booed out of New York because of his low BA (despite his sick OBP) and becomes available for Jesus Montero. Also, there are a lot of teams out there with a glaring need for relief pitching (KC, AZ, Baltimore to name a few), and since the M's have Kelley in the minors I wonder if they might make him or maybe Aardsma available. |
| 6. By: cusefan15 on 05-01-2010 10:29:02 I think Chris Ianetta would also be an interesting fit. Colorado seems to have soured on him over the past couple of years. |
| 7. By: safecochatter on 05-01-2010 12:13:51 Problem with the up coming trade market is nobody seems poised to run away with anything. which means everyone stays in contention a lot longer. even the nats are currently in 2nd place and 3 games over 500. the surprise in the trade market may come from Dodgerland. dead last right now in the nl west and an owner that may decide to shed payroll at some point. and the Dodgers are loaded in the outfield.and yes,i know,kemp is untouchable. by the way,i can't believe the way he called kemp out in the press last week. |
| 8. By: DAMellen on 05-01-2010 14:38:05 DeJesus is injury prone, but he's not Erik Bedard or anything. Missed 18 games last year, 27 the year before, and only 5 the year before that. Plus he's a good fielder who fits our park well (he slaps it the other way a fair amount, but almost all his power's to right), and doesn't need to be pinch hit for every time the other team brings in a lefty (.337 OBP vs. lefties is well below his .366 against righties, but it's right around average). I don't even think he needs to be a secondary option. I'd give Dayton a call right now and see what he wants. I know the Royals are looking for pitching. Would they want a prospect or someone who can help right away (I know logic seems to indicate they'd want a prospect, but they dealt Danny Cortes and Derrick Saito for Yuni Betancourt so logic is apparently not a big thing for Dayton Moore)? How do they feel about Luke French? |
| 9. By: littlelinny6 on 05-01-2010 16:32:17 I agree with cusefan15, I think Chris Ianetta is a victim of small sample size and he could be a great buy low candidate. I also think DeJesus could be a reasonable upgrade without costing too much in the way of prospects. Ultimately, the best way for the M's to make a move is to force their hand and by that I mean an injury to Griffey/Mascot. Where is Tonya Harding when you need her? |
| 10. By: Jason A. Churchill on 05-01-2010 17:11:43 Ianetta is still THE guy for them for the future. Good luck prying a catcher from that org. Plus, right now, not exactly a big upgrade. He was sent back to CSP because he wasn't hitting. Kila is interesting, but it doesn't do a lot for this year's club unless you think he's just going to come up to the bigs and continue what he's doing in AAA -- not likely. They really need proven bats right now, or it's just a shot in the dark. This club needs to stop taking small-risk shots in the dark. |
| 11. By: Durian on 05-01-2010 20:07:31 Does anyone know why Carp was replaced (by Carrera) during tonight's game? Did he get injured? |
| 12. By: FWBrodie on 05-01-2010 20:35:10 Berkman: I went to a game last time the Astros were in town and while I was down watching BP before the game above the Stros dugout I kind of eavesdropped on Berkman having a long conversation with what appeared to be a group of close friends of his that live in Seattle. They were talking and catching up for about 20 minutes and made plans to go out after the game. Anyways, maybe Seattle wouldn't be so unappealing for the Big Puma. I'm sure he wouldn't mind playing in some meaningful games at least. |
| 13. By: safecochatter on 05-01-2010 21:12:37 carp was ejected by hp umpire in bottom of the 4th. |
| 14. By: Jason A. Churchill on 05-01-2010 21:19:30 Brodie, Berkman also has a lot of friends in SoCal. So what? The team has to want to deal him, too... don't forget that. |
| 15. By: dewey on 05-01-2010 21:35:16 Im gonna say it one more time you have to score alot to win in the A.L.! We wont and cant we are carrying dead wood Griffey,Byrnes and Sweeney i guess vetran influence can stink!No help in Tacoma either i have no answers just questions? |
| 16. By: rjfrik on 05-01-2010 21:47:04 Safeco, you are right about Dodgerland. I live down in la la land and there is a lot of chatter going on right now. Their starting pitching is horrible and that is their biggest problem. I would love to nab Either somehow. He would absolutely rake here. One can dream I guess. |
| 17. By: Jason A. Churchill on 05-01-2010 22:31:00 I actually considered Ethier for Seattle, but they'd be outbid for him if he was available. LA is going to want pitching or catching in return. dewey, Absolutely. But I hear the Phillies are willing to deal their entire farm system for Lee. #fakenews |
| 18. By: slick on 05-01-2010 22:37:24 Ryan Doumit is possible dont how much it would cost but the pirates rotation is horrible and there bullpen is not much better. If the Reds fall out maybe Scott Rolen he could help. Going out on a limb but whats up with Joe Crede and Cuban IFA Ruiz. |
| 19. By: DAMellen on 05-01-2010 23:08:39 Tonya Harding is in Yacolt, Washington where she is dating my girlfriend's grandfather. Seriously. I hadn't even considered this before, but I suppose if the situation's really gotten this dire, I can make a call... |
| 20. By: Jason A. Churchill on 05-02-2010 00:58:41 Doumit is currently all Pitt has at C. You'd have to overpay right now to get him. And he's not a rental, so he'd cost even more. Plus, he's NOT a good catcher at all, so he'd be DH'ing in Seattle. He would not even be on my radar. |
| 21. By: safecochatter on 05-02-2010 09:44:11 16 - one has to dream,thay's where ideas come from. Ethier would be a great fit indeed. there is allways a three way trade. i don't know if guys read the quotes from Lee's agent,after his friday debut. he basically says there should be about 15 teams bidding for Lee this offseason. Mariners won't play that game. give Lee about 9/10 starts and Bedard 3/4 starts. and things look a little different. and i don't think there will be anyone in the marinerland that will have a problem trading Lee for offense. and you still have a nice rotation. |
| 22. By: Marlin Man on 05-02-2010 09:55:50 Hey Z----- ain't like we is second guessing ya about needing a REAL bat to get anywhere with the goodpitching ya got going----- hell we were all saying it BEFORE the season What the hell are you doing about it Z??? Maybe he ain't the GM we were all hoping he was. Do something Z, before our opportunity is this suck Division is gone. M.M. |
| 23. By: brockfs1 on 05-02-2010 11:13:04 Jason, did u get my rankings? |
| 24. By: rjfrik on 05-02-2010 12:17:52 Jason, About Eithier. Would C. Lee, A. Moore and prospect (how about Peguero) get it done in your opinion? |
| 25. By: JHamlin22 on 05-02-2010 15:39:03 Why would Wakamatsu not bunt with runners on first and second and Jose Lopez up in the 9th inning with no outs? Who cares if it's our four hitter. He would be a 6th or 7th hitter on any other team. Yes, I know Lopez got unlucky with the line drive double play, but that is still ridiculous. We need an insurance run, not a 3 run homerun. I don't understand that at all. |
| 26. By: littlelinny6 on 05-02-2010 16:33:21 Well, I'd expect some roster moves on the off day tomorrow. DFA Brynes and Sweeney. I think these are reasonable moves and both guys have had time to show their worth on this roster. Sweeney could maybe go to the DL to save face. You can't have a bench where you have Sweeney (hurt), Griffey (can't hit), Moore (backup C), and Tui (can't play anywhere on the field). Call up Langerhans and Carp as stopgaps. Ideally there would be a trade out there for someone but I just don't see it. |
| 27. By: Jason A. Churchill on 05-02-2010 17:15:47 rj, Not today, no. Not for either team. |
| 28. By: Edman on 05-02-2010 19:00:34 Awwwwwwwwwkkkkkkkkkkk......not Langerhans. Last I saw, his glove can't produce hits. They aren't losing games because of outfield defense, but they are losing with a lack of offense. Lopez trying to hit a homerun? Would have been a mighty weak attempt. He was trying to hit the ball to the right side, to move the runners up. It's similar to bunting in it's application. Perhaps Wak should have had him bunt, but just what does that have to do with Lopez being the #4 hitter? That means nothing to Wak. He's had power-hitters attempt to lay down bunts in the past. I somehow doubt that his thought was that Lopez is an exception to that rule. Perhaps, he thought Lopez had a greater chance of success if he tried to hit to the right side? Maybe? |
| 29. By: acqb1424 on 05-02-2010 20:14:10 Jason, Not that he would fix the offense but what do you think of Alex Gordon as a buy low candidate? Would the royals be willing to move him? |
| 30. By: Adam T on 05-02-2010 22:25:58 With Langerhans up and Byrnes gone, and hopefully Sweeney out the door, there's a need for a RH bat that can play LF, DH, and perhaps even play a little 1B to spell Kotch. I'd suggest Xavier Nady, who is getting squeezed on PT in the Cubs' OF. But in any event, today's moves are in the right direction. I just don't want to see Lopez or Griffey hitting 4 and 5 in the lineup again. |
| 31. By: maqman on 05-03-2010 08:18:42 KC would probably be glad to get rid of Jose Guillen’s contract, which is $12MM this season and he’s hit 7 HRs and is batting .293. David DeJesus is owed about a total of $11MM for 2010 and 2011; he’s hitting .277 average with a .348 OBP, 3HR and 11 RBI. Another possibility is to trade Cliff Lee back to the Phils for Jayson Werth, who is hitting .345, with 3HRs and 12 doubles. It doesn’t look like we can sign Lee after this season or that they can re-sign Werth. With Fister, Vargas and French looking good so far this season and Bedard on the horizon we could compete with the added thump. We are fairly well stocked with ML ready relievers to trade and if we take on contracts should not lose too much talent off the farm. |
| 32. By: Edman on 05-03-2010 09:44:35 I doubt either Guillen or Werth are any where near a possibility. Guillen was a bad outfielder when he was here and he's not improved. JZ values pitching too much to give up Lee, especially after one start. The draft picks or trade potential for him at the deadline makes it prohibative to move him now. Griffey's staying, and perhap Sweeney moves to the DL. Help is going to have to come from the outside. Moore is the catcher of the future, but I think Seattle would be better off to go after a catcher who can hit. It's a huge void right now. Neither Johnson or Moore are even league average hitters. If there was more offense elsewhere on the roster, they could afford to let Moore develop. I just don't think they have much choice. I would look for someone like, as Adam suggests, Nady, who doesn't have a clear role. Bradley's going to be in LF part-time. |
| 33. By: JHamlin22 on 05-03-2010 09:58:10 Edman - Trying to hit the ball to the right side with people on first and second is the same as bunting? Seriously? Hitting the ball to the right side of the infield would turn into a double play. Are you serious? You try to hit the ball to the right side if there is only a guy on second base, but not on first and second. The only right thing to do in that situation is to bunt. |
| 34. By: Edman on 05-03-2010 10:42:34 Sure, okay JHamlin, it "could" turn into a double play, not is "would" turn into a double play. It depends on where it's it. Just likc a third-strike fouled bunt attempt could turn into a strikeout. Or, a pop-up bunt turn into a double play, if the runners are sent. It's not as simple as you seem to think it is. Sure, I'd have liked him to bunt too. But, Wak may have thought that Lopez has enough bat control to put the ball in a place on the right side, that would allow both runners to move up. What bothered me about your statement was that you drew a conclusion that Wak didn't have Lopez bunt, because he was the clean-up hitter. From all I've seen of Wak, it's not in his charactor to play the game based on "traditional" roles. And, let's put the blame where it really is. Aardsma committed the worse error of all.....walking the Ranger's best base stealer. THAT lost the game. I'm more upset by the apparent lack of focus in game situations, by the bullpen, than anything to do with Jose' Lopez. |
| 35. By: brockfs1 on 05-03-2010 23:47:06 Jason, do u think Ty Wigginton is a possibility since he can play multiple positions as hes a decent right handed bat |
| 36. By: Decatur on 05-04-2010 03:59:18 Atlanta is platooning Nate McLouth right now - if they stay out of contention, would they consider moving him? They seem more interested in clearing payroll that most teams (see the Vazquez trade). He makes about $6 mil this year, $6mil in 2011, and has a $10mil option for 2012. Is it realistic that we could trade Saunders and another prospect for McLouth? I think McLouth represents Saunders absolute ceiling (borderline all-star, but with a better bat and worse glove) right now, so is 2 1/2 years of McLouth for $20ish million worth giving up 6 cost-controlled years of Saunders? Like brockfst1, I'm also curious about Wiggington ($3.5 mil) and Miguel Tejada ($6 mil) on the Orioles. |
| 37. By: mykillmagnum on 05-04-2010 09:01:23 Jason, I've got two players to ask you about... grady sizemore, could he become availible and do the mariners have enough to get him? I think he would be a perfect fit in left. Also alex gordon, is he done? I read jc sent him to the minors and are moving him to left field. Could he be someone the ms can get cheap, play him at third and then put together a package of lopez and pineda to get sizemore? Or is gordon done? |
| 38. By: Edman on 05-04-2010 09:44:30 Not much chance of making a deal for one of those kind of players, without overspending. Nobody's selling right now. |
| 39. By: shortstop9 on 05-04-2010 13:58:35 How about Phillips from the Reds.They have a 2b on the rise and we really need a legit 3-4 hitter.Move Figgy back to 3B and DH/1B Lopez |
| 40. By: StandinPat on 05-04-2010 14:52:38 Phillips is only a slightly above average bat, in the NL and in a Hitters park. Bring him to Safeco, and your prob looking at an average bat at best. Add in the remaining $10 mil or so he's owed for the rest of the year, plus the prospects you'd have to give up to get him, and there's literally no reason you'd make that move. Lopez has taken to 3B very well and Figgins has flashed great range at 2B, so it's not like your gonna see a huge boost to your IF defense. Carp could come up right now and be roughly average and doesn't cost you a dime. |
| 41. By: Edman on 05-05-2010 17:24:12 Get your eyes off of Sizemore, Phillips, et al. If there is help to come from outside the organization, you're probably looking for a AAAA player like Jack Cust, that's stuck in AAA. And that, quite frankly, won't be enough. Alex Gordon is a possibility, but he'd be an investment, not a fix. The stark reality is, we fix it from within, or it's probably not going to get done. |
| 42. By: brockfs1 on 05-05-2010 18:49:08 Would Chris Snyder C from Arizona be a possibility? hed be an upgrade on the offensive end! |
| 43. By: StandinPat on 05-05-2010 18:59:07 "Would Chris Snyder C from Arizona be a possibility? hed be an upgrade on the offensive end!" Check some depth charts people. Snyder is their only catching option until Montero comes off the DL and proves he's healthy enough to be their starting C again, which may be a while. He's also gonna cost an arm and a leg. Best bet is looking at teams out of it already that need to continue to go young. Players whose deals expire after 2011 and aren't part of a young core. David DeJesus and Luke Scott make some sense. Maaaaybe Corey Hart if the Brewers fall much more behind, or James Loney if you swap the Dodgers some pitching. But with most middle to big market teams, they still feel they have a shot, even if they are 4-5 GB. There's no way they are giving you a major league contributor until late June, July. |
| 44. By: brockfs1 on 05-05-2010 19:04:09 i was thinking when montero came back... proably should've stated that. MY BAD! and i just looked and hes due 5.2 mil a little bit out of our range for an average offensive C |
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