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In the final mock for me, I still have the Rays taking Tim Beckham with the No. 1 overall pick, and if the rumors are true that have the Pirates taking Alvarez with the second pick, things get interesting right away.
After 10 minutes, Florida State catcher Buster Posey (Pictured at right) is looking for a home with no obvious destination. I have him going seventh to the Cincinnati Reds, but if he doesn’t go first or second, who knows where he ends up, though it’s difficult to believe he’d fall too far.
My reasoning for sticking with Beckham No. 1 is two-fold: One, Beckham is the choice of the Rays’ scouting director R.J. Harrison while the GM and VP of Baseball Operations prefers Posey, and I would like to think they’d trust their scouting director when all is said and done.
After all, that’s what you want the Mariners to do, right?
Tampa Bay has tons of pitching and either pick makes sense for them, but their decision will likely be based on whether they think Beckham is a potential superstar or merely a good everyday shortstop who does a little bit of everything.
If Posey is available, Kansas City could snag him at No. 3, but it also makes a lot of sense for them to snuggle up next to another Scott Boras client such as Eric Hosmer. If Posey is the pick, Hosmer would likely fall to Texas at No. 10, if not further.
With pick No. 4, Baltimore is likely to have their choice of either of the Beckhams, or Posey and Gordon Beckham, as well as left-hander Brian Matusz and first baseman Justin Smoak.
Considering the even grades between the two players on most teams’ draft boards, I have the Orioles taking Smoak, filling an organizational weakness as well as taking the best player available.
If Smoak is off the board at five, the Giants will shed a billion tears and then probably take Gordon Beckham. San Francisco could also tab Posey here, if he was available. Brett Wallace is also a possibility, and while they desperately need position talent, Matusz and right-hander Aaron Crow should not be completely out of the question.
The Marlins, as usual, are likely to take the best prep player not named Tim Beckham with the No. 6 pick - even if Beckham is there, which is possible if Tampa goes with Posey and the next four are Alvarez, Hosmer, Smoak, Matusz/G. Beckham.
Skipworth to Florida makes a lot of sense.
The White Sox could go with Crow or Matusz in this scenario, but may be able to get the best player available and draft for need at the same time with Brett Wallace. The Sox could also agree to pay Yonder Alonso.
I think they go offense and take Wallace, planning to play him at first with Konerko at DH as Thome is phased out.
With Skipworth off the board here, Special assistant Bob Boone is overruled by default and the Nats likely tab Crow or Matusz with No. 9, and Houston is happy to take whichever of the two the Nationals don’t.
Texas and Boras hook up again and find top prep pitcher Gerrit Cole a home and left-hander Christian Friedrich slides in perfectly with the Oakland A’s at No. 12.
The Cardinals seem locked in, at least to me, on Aaron Hicks (left), Tim Melville or Zach Collier, and I have them opting for the center field prospect Collier.
With Hicks telling teams he won’t sign as a pitcher, the Twins, worried about Francisco Liriano’s future and just having re-upped with Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau, as well as trading for Carlos Gomez and Delmon Young, opt for the pitcher here in Martin over the outfielder in Hicks.
Even though Dodgers’ scouting director Logan White loves the high-ceiling prep arms, Hicks is too good to pass up here at No. 15.
Milwaukee might have to take Josh Fields and get him in their bullpen by early August in order to have a shot in the NL Central this year, and if he’s closing games for them down the stretch, it was worth the pick at No. 16.
If Alonso or Wallace are on the board at 17, Toronto, long after the college player, is likely to take advantage.
With the first of two picks over the next five selections, the Mets get their catcher of the future in Jason Castro. They could also go for Melville here and hope Castro is available at No. 22, and there’s talk that they’d like to get two bats in round one and wait on the pitchers, which would suggest they could be thinking Lawrie or Kelley at 18 as well.
With no major holes to fill in their bullpen, shockingly, the Cubs may stay away from Andrew Cashner and take the best player available in shortstop Casey Kelly. Kelly interests Seattle, too, but they see him as as a bit of a tough sign after he committed to play quarterback at Tennessee.
No other club appears to be that concerned with Kelly’s college commitment.
In this scenario, I see the M’s taking Melville (right), clearly the best player available, and probably on every single team board at this point.
Seattle’s team doctors, however, have studied and analyzed the paperwork and tests on Fresno State right-hander Tanner Scheppers and have told the front office that he should be fine and would feel comfortable endorsing the selection medically.
Scheppers began the spring as a top 10 talent but multiple exams revealed an impingement in his right shoulder. These impingements are known to occasionally cause small tears in the labrum, which is typically death to pitchers as we know them.
With the typical impingement, which basically means to put pressure on, scrape against or rub, the acromion, which is the front most edge of the clavicle, “impinges” the rotator cuff, causing stiffness and minor pain.
In most cases, however, rest and supervised physical therapy are enough. In some cases, however, the x-ray called an ‘outlet view’ reveals a bone spur in the area, which endangers the rotator cuff further.
The weaker the joint becomes during the whole process, the more a tear in the labrum becomes possible.
In any case, the Mariners clearly do not prefer to draft a college reliever, and if Hicks, Kelly, Scheppers and Melville are not available, they’d consider Zach Collier, Yonder Alonso (yes, they would, they have spoken internally about it over the past 48 hours), and Brett Lawrie.
Lawrie has an up-the-middle bat but the only position up the middle he might be able to play is second base, though there are a few scouts that aren’t completely convinced he can’t catch (most of the scouts I trust say he’s not a catcher).
He could play any of the corner spots, but his bat doesn’t profile quite that well.
Lance Lynn is indeed an option for the Mariners, as I was told very early this morning that “the way things (negotiations) ended a few years back mean nothing to either side this time around. We’re open to all options if the player is the one we want.”
I have also heard rumblings that the Mariners are considering Reese Havens and Jemile Weeks at No. 20, because they are getting a few calls on second baseman Jose Lopez, who is having a decent year thanks to a recent hot streak.
In the end, if Scheppers (left) or Melville is the pick, don’t be disappointed. Melville has better stuff than Chris Tillman - right now, even - and if the doctors did their homework and don’t see a reason for long term concern, well, that’s what they are hired for, I guess.
It’s still better than drafting a reliever in round one, especially with so many readily available in round two.
| 2008 Mock Draft 4.0 | |||||||||||||||||||
| No. | BPA* | Team | Pick | ||||||||||||||||
| 1 | Tim Beckham, SS | Tampa Bay Devil Rays |
Tim Beckham, SS | ||||||||||||||||
| 2 | Justin Smoak, 1B |
Pittsburgh Pirates |
Pedro Alvarez, 3B |
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| 3 | Eric Hosmer, 1B |
Kansas City Royals |
Eric Hosmer, 1B |
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| 4 | Pedro Alvarez, 3B |
Baltimore Orioles |
Justin Smoak, 1B | ||||||||||||||||
| 5 | Aaron Crow, RHP |
San Francisco Giants |
Gordon Beckham, SS | ||||||||||||||||
| 6 | Buster Posey, C |
Florida Marlins |
Kyle Skipworth, C |
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| 7 | Gordon Beckham, SS | Cincinnati Reds |
Buster Posey, C |
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| 8 | Brian Matusz, LHP | Chicago White Sox | Brett Wallace, 1B |
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| 9 | Gerrit Cole, RHP |
Washington Nationals |
Aaron Crow, RHP |
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| 10 | Christian Friedrich, LHP |
Houston Astros |
Brian Matusz, LHP | ||||||||||||||||
| 11 | Brett Wallace, 1B |
Texas Rangers |
Gerrit Cole, RHP |
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| 12 | Aaron Hicks, RF/RHP | Oakland Athletics | Christian Friedrich, LHP |
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| 13 | Kyle Skipworth, C |
St. Louis Cardinals |
Zach Collier, OF | ||||||||||||||||
| 14 | Tim Melville, RHP |
Minnesota Twins |
Ethan Martin, RHP | ||||||||||||||||
| 15 | Yonder Alonso, 1B |
Los Angeles Dodgers | Aaron Hicks, RF |
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| 16 | Casey Kelly, SS/RHP |
Milwaukee Brewers |
Josh Fields, RHP |
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| 17 | Ethan Martin, RHP/3B |
Toronto Blue Jays |
Yonder Alonso, 1B |
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| 18 | Jason Castro, C | New York Mets |
Jason Castro, C | ||||||||||||||||
| 19 | Zach Collier, OF |
Chicago Cubs |
Casey Kelly, RHP | ||||||||||||||||
| 20 | Jake Odorizzi, RHP | Seattle Mariners |
Tim Melville, RHP |
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| 21 | Josh Fields, RHP |
Detroit Tigers |
Andrew Cashner, RHP |
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| 22 | Shooter Hunt, RHP |
New York Mets |
Jake Odorizzi, RHP |
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| 23 | Andrew Cashner, RHP |
San Diego Padres | Lance Lynn, RHP | ||||||||||||||||
| 24 | Lance Lynn, RHP | Philadelphia Phillies |
Aaron Weatherford, RHP | ||||||||||||||||
| 25 | Reese Havens, SS | Colorado Rockies |
Robbie Ross, LHP |
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| 26 | Conor Gillaspie, 3B |
Arizona Diamondbacks | Conor Gillaspie, 3B |
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| 27 | Niko Vazquez, 2B | Minnesota Twins |
Brett Lawrie, 2B/RF |
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| 28 | Jemile Weeks, 2B | New York Yankees |
Alex Meyer, RHP |
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| 29 | Aaron Weatherford, RHP |
Cleveland Indians |
Jemile Weeks, 2B |
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| 30 | Robbie Ross, LHP | Boston Red Sox | Reese Havens, SS |
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I would have no problem with Scheppers (as long as the medical people give him a clean bill of health) or Melville. Those would be good value picks with a lot of potential.
Thanks for all the draft coverage Jason.
MLB.com reports Beckham as #1 pick
I’m crossing my fingers that a bat falls, but if it doesn’t I’m fine with a SP. There are a couple of places (Ussmariner, BA’s new mock draft) that has us linked to Fields. I really hope we don’t draft a RP, it makes no sense!!!!! Grab a bat for crying out loud!
Dave Cameron has us linked to the college relievers in the first and has heard this from multiple sources. Say it ain’t so Church.
The latest has the Mariners avoiding all prep players in that range but POSSIBLY Melville, and definitely Hicks.
My source is telling me they’d take Fields over Cashner in BAs mock scenario, because Melville is off the board.
The Mariners may be getting gunshy on Scheppers, and rightfully so.
Of all the relievers I would prefer Cashner, you would think with the way the season has gone they would stay away from the quick fix reliever. This would just be icing on the cake in the most brutal Mariner season in recent history.
Wouldn’t Cashner fit the mold more than Fields for the M’s?
I may be wrong, but it just seems the M’s draft bigger bodies and tend to stay away from someone like Fields who’s what 6′00 170-180lbs.
No on Lincecum and yes on Fields, WTF. I thought the scouting dept was the one thing that the M’s had going for them.
If I remember right the scouting dept thought that Lincecum’s stature would turn him into a reliever instead of starter due to innings. Fields is already reliever so not really the same. Still should have taken Lincecum but easy to say that now
I am OK with the decision to take Morrow, that being said if we were scared of the size and stature then, why shouldn’t we be now.
I am just hoping for one of the three: Hicks, Melville, and Lawrie in that order and if we go with a college bat I would prefer Reese Havens or Ike Davis.
i’m just getting up to speed….
11 picks to go and 3 quality 1st basemen left.
including smoak…?
Wow, that is the first head-scratcher of the draft.
Well, at least M’s fans can rest assured that there is a worse organization than us.
Wow, Texas gets the first steal of the draft. Add this to an already stocked farm system and the Rangers could be a team to worry about.
Nice, there is another head-scratcher with the A’s grabbing Weeks. Most saw him as a sandwich or 2nd rounder.
The more teams reach, the more likely the M’s get a gem.
I hope that Hicks falls, on the flip side no relievers taken, hopefully Fields and Cashner are gone by our pick.
Lots of prep players still on the board:
Tim Mellville
Aaron Hicks
Gerrit Cole
Ethan Martin
Brett Lawrie
Casey Kelly
Zach Collier
Jake Odorizzi
Anthony Hewitt
Thats nice very good highschool players, and six teams before the M’s.
They could get a good player here.
Keep all fingers crossed that some relievers get picked in the next few slots.
There goes Hicks, cross your fingers for Melville.
Or Lawrie.
Regardless, the M’s will get a great player if they just stay away from relievers.
Agreed, but I am not that confident that they stay away from the relievers especially since Church said they are likely to stay away from the prep players.
Hopefully the Brew Crew nabs a reliever at sixteen since they have a need for this year and the future.
Lets hope they change their minds.
BPA! BPA! BPA!
The only college guys who are interesting to me now is Christian Friedrick.
He is a near lock to be gone by the time the M’s pick.
Oh, there goes Martin. Nice. I figured the Dodgers would be a logical landing spot for Melville.
He could very likely fall to the M’s. If they pass up Melville for a reliever, I am going to break something.
Damn. Milwaukee gets Lawrie.
friedrich and melville still there…
2 picks to go
scratch that…m’s on the clock.
and friedrich and melvin still there
melville
M’s are about to get a good player as they will take Friedrich or Melville I HOPE
Nope, it’s Fields
Damn. Well atleast we can put him in the bullpen and hopefully get Morrow out. Not a bad pick as he should have a real good chance to be on the team for a long time.
Terrible.
Another reliever? Is it a good pick or is this organization this deluded?
Well I would’ve rather had Friedrich. Just what we need, another bullpen arm.
Seems like a safe pick. If he ends up being a dominant 8th guy to bridge to Putz all will be happy.
With all the offensive clout coming through the system, who needs more depth there. Good god.
also makes putz expedible..
expendible..
i quit the mariners
LOL….go ahead, quit them because they didn’t take your advice on how to select a player. I’m sure you have tons of scouting data to rely on, rather than say….media hype.
And, nobody says Fields has to stay a reliever. They can convert both ways.
Much harder to convert a reliever to a starter man. Doesn’t happen too often, if ever.
Darren Driefort….look him up
totally agree edtrak. Just because the Ms dont select a media-hyped player, doesnt mean the player they selected is garbage.
Feilds is suppose to be the best closer in the draft…could this mean the end of JJ?
Joshua Fields…a starter?
Lol, that made me laugh.
You draft the best player available, get him in the system…..then, worry about the tough decisions. Right now, he’s probably at least two years away, if not more. Who knows where JJ will be by then?
corey, why not? cuz people in the media say so? Have you extensively scouting fields and have determined that he cannot be a starter?
I see the Fields pick as 1) a way to definitely move Morrow to the rotation (probably not this year though) and 2) a future closer for if we trade J.J. I truly feel the M’s need to blow this up and if that means trading someone like J.J. then I’m all for it. I still would have rather seen one of the starting pitchers just due to the fact that we will have some major rotation issues within the next few years (Batista, Washburn and Bedard will all be FA after next year).
acgb, you are reading WAY TOO MUCH in this draft picks. Teams do not draft NOW for the near future. By the time Fields is ready, the team may have an entirely different look. Teams generally keep what happens in the draft completely separate from the day to day operations. Seldom, do you get a guy who can help right away, thus you cannot plan in the draft. You get the best guys you can, then worry about where they go.
the fact is…Fields was not the best guy on the board.
where’s Jason? he must be steaming from the pick
Really? Who’s facts? Are you simply repeating the crap you read on the net? That isn’t fact….that’s opinion.
Edtrak I agree with you sort of. When drafting a College Reliever in the 1st you have to assume they plan on him being in the MAJORS soon don’t you think???? I don’t work for the m’s so just thinking realistically from the sidelines.
i looked up darren dreifort and found out that he sucked
Brilliant, huskee, you managed to completely miss the point. And no, he didn’t suck, he just wasn’t a star.
edtrak I disagree with you on the timetable for fields. The guys on espn (ugh, hate to say it) say he could pitch this year in the majors, but if not this year, DEFINITELY next year. Hes not 3 years away, he is a guy who will make an impact very soon.
baseballman, I certainly hope that’s true, because that means Morrow gets serious consideration as a starter.
I wonder who we’ll select in the next couple of rounds. We need big bats as I don’t see any in our minor leagues or in Seattle. This is where the scouting people really earn their money.
could still take that medical gamble on Scheppers.
he’s still there.
I see this pick as the M’s trying to get Morrow in the minors to stretch him out as a starter rather than as a potential replacement for JJ. It might some day turn out that way, but I really do not believe the M’s are thinking about moving JJ (though they should at least listen to offers). Pretty disappointing, but such is being an M’s fan these days.
Even though most mock drafts had him going middle first round? It’s not like Seattle stretched to get him.
Off topic: seeing Lowe throw the last couple outings was interesting. From what I saw, he was showing more plus secondary stuff than Morrow has shown so far. I know the M’s won’t do it, especially coming off the injury, but I wouldn’t mind giving Lowe a chance to stretch out and start. His changeup looked very good and the slider is still a very good one (not quite unhittable like when he first came up). I mean who has an 8th inning guy with three plus pitches? He looked like a starter to me.
No Edtrak, Fields has pretty exciting stuff, but you must admit, taking a reliever with that pick when they easily could have had a very solid left handed starter in Friedrich (who fell in their laps) has to be dissappointing. Maybe they like this kids upside better but it looked like Friedrich could have helped balance that rotation out fairly soon.
I think it’s ridiculous the M’s think they need to draft a reliever in order to move Morrow to the rotation.
Just a wasted pick. M’s could have had Friedrich AND Morrow in the rotation.
It’s not about whether Fields has talent or was worthy of being a Top20 pick.. he probably was.. but the last thing the M’s really need is right handed relievers..
We churn those out just fine.. we need position players.. are system is barren of really high end top of the order or middle of the order bats..
Fields is a very nice talent, but you dont use a pick on a reliever unless your roster is pretty much set, and you have the luxury of focusing on the bullpen
Again, you miss the point. You don’t draft for NEED…you draft the best player available, regardless everything else.
You may not agree with how they rank those on their list, but that’s the philosophy, in general.
And NOBODY said they drafted him so they could move Morrow into a starters role, that’s what many in the conspiracy theory crowd believe.
I am sorry with a team the is in need of rebuilding for the furture and needs key young solid talent at several psotions to draft a set-up/closer at this pick is insane…PERIOD….Bavasi the scouting staff, Armstrong and Lincoln just erk me more and more…….
I’m sorry, a relief pitcher isn’t a position?
Unless you can actually be specific about just WHO would have been a better pick, and at what position……don’t expect me to see you as any more than yet another bandwagon ranting fan who is mad just because.
edtrak, these guys will never understand BPA. To them, the draft is all about gettin the “sexy” picks toted up by the media. They just dont understand that there are a TON of variables that goes into draftin a player
Christian Friedrich was the BPA.
Que the “URrrrrr did you scout exclusively hurrrrr”
Save it.
oh well, since corey has spoken, it must be so! give me a break, and get over yourself. save your own crap.
CoreyC….back your statement up. Prove that he was the BPA. I don’t care what you, Keith Law, Dave Cameron, etc. think. Show me the reports that indicate that his potential has more potential major league impact, than Fields.
I honestly don’t know, because I haven’t followed the draft as closely as I normally do. But I have a real problem with people who spout off their opinions, as facts.
Prove it.
Edtrack,
A closer by definition can’t have as much impact as a starting pitcher or a position player.
http://ussmariner.com/2008/02/14/2008-win-values/
If you say Fields turns into Putz (and this is the best case scenerio) he’s the equivalent of a 3rd starter or an average everyday player.
I can’t prove that Christian Friedrich was the BPA. But I can say that he probably has a better chance of becoming a 3rd starter than Fields has of being Putz.
What do we know about our second round selection? Dennis Raben is a RF from the U of Miami. I hope he’s a LHH with a ton of power. MLB.com mentions a history of back problems and a long swing.
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Thats a crap statement. Prove Friedrich wasn’t the BPA? All there is to go on is scouting reports and the OPINIONS of people in the know. There is no way to prove talent when there is no concrete comparison method.
Fact is, drafting a strict bullpen arm in the first round is like drafting a kicker in football. Its an essential position but you don’t waste a first round pick on one. Especially when the Mariners have been so good at pulling relievers out of thin air and having them succeed. Doubly so in the Mariners current situation. The last thing in the world they needed was more bullpen depth. That and maybe a catcher.
BTW, that Darren Driefort, reliever-to-starter example was awful. Maybe should have used the precursor “successfully” transforming relievers into starters… Darren Driefort was a flop.
Oh, that’s right….we don’t draft the best player available…..we draft the best player that isn’t a reliever.
Since outfielders are the most abundant position to fill, should we wait to draft them, as well?
You draft, as Fontaine said, for potential major league impact. Clearly, Fields isn’t just some reliever. He’s got an plus, plus curveball to go along with a fastball that can reach the upper ninties.
Friedrich wasn’t picked until 25. Does that mean that those picking just before the M’s and just after, are as incompetent as you believe they are. Or, maybe, the is something about the guy that concerns them, that their scouting departments picked up on.
I don’t know the answer, and neither do you. Cory stated for a FACT that he was the BPA…at least four other teams didn’t agree.
dang…tim melville guy lasted until pick 115!
And, Arbeck, some may be impressed by the USS Mariner, but I’m not one. In the old days, back when there was actually some good work that came out of Baseball Prospectus, I had some admiration for their work. But, they started lending their opinions more than crunching numbers, and let it bias the criteria by which they based their work on. You could find a problem with anything, if you do SPC based on a preconceived opinion.
In other words, you can’t be a fan or detractor, and be expected to not let it influence the outcome.
And, you claim Friedrich could be a #3 starter? You DON’T draft #3 starters in the first round. You can buy them in free agency, pretty easily. You draft for a potential #1 starter, in the first round.
So, let’s rephrase your suppostion. I think Fields has a greater chance to be another JJ Putz, then Friedrich does of being another Felix Hernandez.
edtrack,
You completely missed the point. Lets just use numbers I pull out of my ass to illustrate. Friedrich has a 5% chance of becoming a #1, 10% of becoming a #2, 25% of becoming a #3 and so on. All three of those things are more valuable then a lights out closer. So even if there needs to be a 40% chance that Fields is the next JJ Putz before he becomes a better option.
Bullpens are easy to build through low draft picks and cast offs. Starting pitching is harder to come buy. It’s far cheaper and easier to make a bullpen then find five starting pitchers. In a day in age when Carlos Silva gets $48 million, I think you want to develop your own starters.
Sorry, but I hear guys like you make that statement about bullpen arms, and have to laugh. If it’s so easy, why are teams paying top dollar for high quality closers? Is it because they are more uneducated than you? I mean, you could take low draft picks and cast offs, and viola……you get a closer.
Not so easy. You can find lots of guys to do fill in work, but few ever have what it takes to be a closer. That’s just pure statistical drivel.
You dream on that anyone can make a closer. But, it’s simply not true.
Fields has a FAR GREATER chance of being a closer, the Friedrich of being an impact starter. Doesn’t mean either are bad picks. But you NEVER assign value, based on how many innings an arm is worth. You get the arm into your system, then you figure out how to use it.