I did some leg work to see if anyone else I knew could fill in the gaps since the last time any significant news came down the pipe on the Erik Bedard-Adam Jones scenario, and while there wasn’t much to stir up, I did dig up a few fresh nuggets.
One club’s representative says the latest he heard was that Baltimore was waiting for Seattle to either agree to include Brandon Morrow or Carlos Triunfel in the package along with Adam Jones and George Sherrill, or for the Reds to start their package with Jay Bruce.
I pushed hard to see if the Orioles were truly only interested in what Cincinnati had to offer if Bruce was included and the response I got was “yes, unless they want to gut their system.”
This tells me that the Reds have not agreed to a Homer Bailey, Johnny Cueto, Joey Votto and a fourth player deal.
Another league source claims he spoke with someone close to the situation in Baltimore and got the impression that Seattle was likely to cave on Morrow before agreeing to include Triunfel in any trade, but that no progress involving the right-hander had been achieved.
The most intriguing information I got this morning is from a former front office member of one of the teams involved. He says the Orioles gave the Mariners a once-and-for-all type counter offer (apparently to the Jones-Clement-Sherrill offer Seattle is thought to have made) and if Triunfel or Morrow are not included, the Orioles will shut down talks.
He also says that this type of act by one side often forces the other to either turn away completely or fall for the move and give in.
He predicts the Mariners will introduce Bedard at a press conference Thursday, “if not well before” and that the Mariners will certainly have vastly overpaid in the deal.
When asked what kind of package he’d be willing to part with if he were the Mariners, this is what he came up with.
“Nothing involving Jones, and no deal that has two of their best guys in it. Not Clement and Morrow, not Clement and Triunfel. I might do Clement and the other outfielder, Balentien, but Baltimore wants pitching. Clement or Balentien plus Tillman or Butler. I’d do that.”
For the record, my offer would start and end this way:
Wladimir Balentien OR Brandon Morrow OR Jeff Clement, plus Tony Butler, George Sherrill and one of the following three — Adam Moore, Kameron Mickolio or Michael Saunders. Although I’d include any two of the latter three if the Orioles put newly-acquired left-hander Troy Patton or right-hander Pedro Beato into the deal, too.
Otherwise, the club runs a ridiculously high risk of acquiring Bedard and finishing in second place for two more seasons, watching Bedard sign with the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, Mets or Blue Jays while Jones and company come into their own as key members of the Orioles 25-man roster.
In my conversation with a friend of mine that works with the Mets, he asked me to describe a scenario where I would make a deal for Bedard that included Jones or Triunfel.
I painted in two Beltre or better level bats, at least one a lefty, that were assets defensively at first base (in place of Sexson) and in a corner outfield spot (in place of Ibanez, who moves to DH).
Then the offense and the defense are ready to support what would be a pretty solid staff with a rather nasty 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation.
But since the offense has just a good a shot to finish in the bottom third as it does the top half (see potential declines from Ibanez, Johjima and Vidro, and more bad offense by Lopez and Sexson,) and the outfield defense could be wretched in the corners, I absolutely cannot figure out a scenario where the current roster plus Bedard seriously contends with the 2008 Los Angeles Angels, who, by the way, may not be done bettering their roster, too.
Far too many things would have to go right. Most of which could easily be deemed “unlikely” by objective observers.
And for those who keep telling me “if they get Bedard and need more offense, they can still go get it since it’s only January,” well, tell me who they can go get? There isn’t a single impact bat - outside Barry Bonds whom the club won’t consider signing - on the free agent market and the trade route might bare even fewer and less attractive options.
And even if there was a perfect trade target, you’d have to further gut your system or trade from the 25-man roster in order to get a deal done.
Seattle is so close to being in a position to make moves, such as the Bedard idea, it’s just a year or two early. Think a year or two from right now as the Halos get old and their key guys get to free agency, and when the Rays are trading Scott Kazmir or the Rockies are entertaining offers for Jeff Francis, Ubaldo Jimenez or Franklin Morales.
At that point, the M’s will know what they have in Chris Tillman, have a better idea of what Butler, Juan Ramirez and Phillippe Aumont are going to be, and won’t have to consider Triunfel a high-risk talent since he’s likely to see Double-A in 2008.
There are almost always certain prospects that each club should protect, particularly in this day and age where the free agent market is what it is. And most of those with such value are usually on the brink of the big leagues.
The Yankees have Joba Chamberlain. The Red Sox have Clay Buchholz. The LA Dodgers have Clayton Kershaw while the Cincinnati Reds have Jay Bruce.
And the Seattle Mariners have Adam Jones.
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I hope the Orioles are trying to strong arm the Mariners and in turn the talks implode.
Having Bedard would be nice. Doing so at the cost of the cream of the last 3 years of player development is not a good move.
It would appear that MacPhail has now gone “all in.” So now it’s time to see if the Mariners will blink, or if Andy will lose it all…
Jason
Do you think there is anything to the fact that both Adam Jones and Daniel Cabrara were pulled from winter ball? Do you see any way that Jose Lopez is included in any deal with Baltimore with the rumors of Brian Roberts going to the Cubs out there? Baltimore doesn’t seem to have any decent 2b’s around to fill that void.
Seriously, here’s what I’d give them:
Morrow + Sherrill + Butler + Saunders + low-level pitching prospect.
That would be my final offer. No Jones. Of course, they’d say “No Jones - no deal!” And I’m OK with that…
wagonman, Cabrera wasn’t pulled. He pitched this weekend.
Boy if you read Adam Jones comments about why he is taking a seat from the winter ball playoffs it sure sounds as if something is close. He doesn’t even know why he is sitting.
He is just doing what he is told.
Save Adam Jones!! I have been reading some other blogs and there seems to be some confusion as to the whereabouts of Jones?? Is he here? or is he still in Venezuela? Based on his interview on XM, he seems to be still there and on the bench?? I hope Bill has some common sense and just says NO!! I just can’t see shipping out the farm for 1 pitcher?? I know pitching is important, but this is not golf, and he is not Tiger. It is a team sport, and even if Bedard throws well, he still needs offense and defense behind him. Let’s face it, everyone has bad days, so if he is on a down day and not pitching well, who in hell will save his ass in the field??? Ibanez? No. Reed? Not likely. Wlad? Undecided. I realize that sometimes you have to take a chance and that all decisions have ‘ifs’ in play, however, this deal is way too one sided in favor of Baltimore.
itrea81, I had read that info in a Baltimore blog. I don’t know where Cabrera would fit in here anyway unless someone was leaving in the deal from the starting rotation. That seems highly unlikely.
Shannon Dryer has a piece on the A.J. sitting.
Wonder what’s going on!!!!!
9 - Yeah just read that, was interesting how her source said they expect Adam to play for Lara again.
I agree with the notion that the M’s are not really in a good position to trade for a guy like Bedard, and that, even with him on the roster, they are still not likely to finish above 2nd place in the West.
However, I don’t really see Jones as the type of guy that you absolutely don’t trade. He is likely to be a very good player, and is about as safe as prospects get in terms of bust potential. However, I just don’t see him as a great bet to be a star player, but more of a “solid to really good” type. Mike Cameron, with Torii Hunter upside and a perfect case scenario as perhaps a Vernon Wells type player.
With the M’s set at CF with Ichiro for the long term, and with players like Danny Carroll, Greg Halman, and Denny Almonte in the system, Jones is a lot more valuable to other clubs that he is to the M’s. When you have a very good prospect blocked, you can afford to move him. Thus, in the right deal, I wouldn’t be too afraid to deal him.
Call me crazy, but I would be far more upset to see the M’s move guys like Tillman, Morrow, and Triunfel than Jones. Obviously, the biggest concern is value. Whatever move the M’s make, they need to be getting equal or better value in return. But that former prospects are in line to fill big holes for the M’s. Jones is a great young player, but he just isn’t a great fit for the M’s current roster. Trading him for a starter of equal value makes a lot of sense.
Wagonman, can you post the link to the dryer article??
MAMA - here it is http://www.komoradio.com/marinersradio/shannon/13754922.html
Check it out:
Jones back in play in Venezuela after being pulled out
Things may be heating up on the Adam Jones to Baltimore for Erik Bedard front.
Or maybe not.
The Mariners pulled Jones out of the lineup for Lara in the Venezuelan winter league over the weekend.
That led to quick speculation that Seattle was closing in on a trade for Orioles’ left-handed starter Bedard, with the Orioles getting a package of young talent back in return with the Mariners’ top prospect, Jones, the headliner of the group.
However, Seattle contacted both Lara management and Jones Monday, and the Mariner right fielder – he’s playing center field for Lara – was scheduled to be back in the lineup Monday.
”We just asked them to hold Adam out for a couple of games,” Seattle general manager Bill Bavasi said without explaining the reason for the move. ”But it was just for a short period of time. He’s going to be back in the lineup soon.
That will be good news for Jones, who said on XM Radio Sunday that he didn’t know what was happening.
”I have not heard anything,” he said. ”I try to keep in contact with our organization, but the last time I talked with our G.M. (Bavasi), he just said you’re not going to play for a couple of days as we are in the process of doing all this. He said for me to hang tight for a couple of days and they’d get back to me.”
Jones said he wanted to get back into the lineup for Lara with the Cardinales in the middle of a pennant race.
”We are in first place and I wanna be there for the guys,” he said.
Posted by John Hickey at January 14, 2008 12:12 p.m.
Well?? Good news?
Thanks wagonman!
I don’t like this. Jason can you confirm talks with the Mariners are over?
Not over. But I can’t get anything more than that.
If MacPhail doesn’t back off the demands, they should be over. If its true the Mariners offered Jones, Clement and Sherrill ….and that wasn’t enough. I wouldn’t want to see it go any further.
sounds like there was a near deal and m’s pulled jones and then o’s ownership shot down the macphail/bavasi deal. it would fit in a timeline with the gotta have morrow leak…?
it would be just like o’s ownership to shoot down all the work macphail has done.
maybe morrow is heading the package now.
jones should have more trade value,but if angelos sticking his nose in,anything is possible.
Bavasi and McClaren need results this year. They likely will not be back so they are going for broke with the farm system. We sad fans will be rooting for good management with vision.
I think you can say that about Bavasi, but McLaren might have more rope than that.
That whole, “The source believes Adam will be playing again for Lara” doesn’t mean he will be doing it as a Mariner. If the O’s have stated that they would allow him to return to play after a physical and the M’s intend to keep him there if he’s not traded, I would believe that he will be playing there again. Anyone’s belief that he will play there again doesn’t tell me anything of value.
Yay, instead of Jones, Triunfel, Sherrill + it might now be Morrow, Triunfel, Sherrill + +. I still think they need to take the phone off the hook.
I have a question is Bedard better then Haren? If he is are they are very similar qwhy shouldnt the Orioles trying and get 4 to 5 guys? Is Jones a better prospect then Gonzalez at the same age? I never thought of it this way but it is a diffrent spin on it and like it are not the GM here has to win our he is gonzo!
Bedard is better then Haren and jones is a better prospect then gonzalez and the o’s want quality over quantity where the A’s wanted quantity over quality. The players the orioles are asking for morrow,triunfel,sherrill are all better then the players the A’s got.
Adam Jones = Mike Cameron???
In AAA Jones has put up a .301/.364/.538 line and Cameron .276/.378/.535. Their overall stats there are pretty similiar except that Cameron showed more ability to get a walk and Jones more ability to get a hit. Jones can still learn how to pick up more walks. Cameron has still not pushed his BA above .273 in any Major league season (career .251/.341/.445) I have a really hard time believing that Jones will be a .251 career hitter and think he has a really good chance to have a OBP higher than .341. He’d still have to work on working counts more…The biggest difference I see between Cameron and Jones at the AAA level = Cameron arived at AAA when he was 24, Jones at 20.
IMO, Jones would be a bust if he became Cameron, but even Cameron is a solid player.
the truth is the only reason why they compare jones to cameron and hunter is becasue he is black. Experts never compare people of different races thats the way it is. If jones was spanish then they would never compare him to cameron or hunter, they would only compare him to another spanish player.
Uh, “spanish”?….
This is from mlb.com
“Various reports continue to link Bedard with the Mariners as Spring Training approaches. A source told MLB.com on Sunday that the Orioles have given up trying to obtain reliever Brandon Morrow in the deal, and would instead accept Mariners Minor League Pitcher of the Year Chris Tillman. Baltimore also apparently wants left-handed reliever George Sherrill included in the deal”
im sorry latin player
Yeah, that Spain to MLB pipeline hasn’t really started to flow.
Too busy with Soccer and bullfighting is my guess.
Maybe it will be a jones/tillman/sherrill deal
If Jones, Clement, or Triunfel are moved for Bedard i will go crazy. This organization is so frustrating!!!!!!!!! Offically i don’t want Bedard at all anymore, unless they can do it without shipping out AJ, Clement, Triunfel, or Tillman. Bavasi needs to grow a pair, and just stay no!!!!!!
Turk i said at the same age between Gonzalez and Jones im not sure? Are the Mariners four better then the Dbacks six some say yes some say no i am not sure either way.Either way we have to pay if we want to compete with the Angels its just a matter of how much we will give?
cujo jones and gonzalez are the same age
wow jesse - it would be nice to trade for a #1 pitcher and give up almost nothing I agree - but it’s just not reality.
Any chance Bavasi is working an extension with Bedard before the deal is made? It’s been said that he was willing to extend with the Orioles for 4/60, which is cheaper than Santana. If a window for an extension was part of the deal, I could see Bavasi more willing to give up top talent…
CALL HIS BLUFF, BAVASI!
If the Reds truly aren’t in on any deal involving Bruce then we are (once again) bidding against ourselves.
I am in a different camp than most of you as I don’t mind losing one or two of our + prospects to get Bedard, but if no one else is in the bidding, send the O’s an offer and tell THEM to take it or leave it, not the other way around.
Bedard is NOT willing to extend with anyone. At least that was the very last stance he and his agent took with Baltimore.
I’m with you randall.
If I’m Seattle I have to take the same approach as if I’m buying a car, which I just did myself this past summer.
You have to be willing to walk away. If you aren’t, it’ll likely show and the seller has you by the balls.
You have to know the situation with Bedard though. They lowballed him last spring which insulted him and when he counteroffered, he was told they had to wait for Angelos, so he basically said no deal after that. With a new team he might be willing to extend as long as he gets enough $.
Some of the deals that have been floating around have been cooling me off a little bit. Jones/Tillman/Sherrill for Bedard is almost livable. It would still suck to lose Jones though. It would also suck to sign Luis Gonzalez, and then probably trade Wlad for a bullpen arm like they wanted to do last year. Errrrrrr.
Yes i guess they are the same age have you ever seen Gonzalez play? Minor league numbers are pretty impressive im not sure Jones is that much better if at all this guy reminds me of Bobby Abrue.
40; I don’t think they could stand to trade Wlad if Jones is dealt. If Gonzo is signed that would give the Mariners a geriatric outfield with nothing on the horizon outside of Saunders. Plus Gonzalez would be a 1-year contract with Ibanez’s contract expiring this year as well.
Balentien would then be our lone, close-to ML ready outfield prospective starter. I would think he would go from a expendible to a protected commodity.
Offensively Gonzalez has a slight performance advantage and may have safer power projections, but when you factor in defense and base running, there’s not much of a difference either way.
Jones>Gonzalez.
Bedard’s agent is a Boras wannabe, though. If he has any level of influence at all, Bedard would have to be blown away to sign an extension.
I’m talking 5+ at 15+ per.
And even then I wouldn’t be so sure he doesn’t take his chances on the free agent market as a 30-year-old.
Mariners Fans,
I personally tried calling Bill Bavasi and almost got through (unfortunately, I was cut down by his Secretary), but thats not the point. There are other ways of reaching Bill Bavasi, particularly though E-mail.
We all need to do this. Everyone against this trade needs to get there word through. Everyone here need to email Bavasi and explain there displeasure if Adam Jones is traded…and why.
My email included the Link to the USSMariner article about Jones’s value VS Bedard’s value over the next coming years. Its a good place to start off. It is VERY IMPORTANT that everyone stay civil in their e-mails. Meaning no “Eff you Bavasi” and “You’re a Moron Bavasi”. OK? We need to explain how the fans feel about Adam Jones leaving, and that its not worth it. Be as Civil as possible, as intelligent as possible, and as Baseball savvy as possible. Maybe even have it proofread first.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, we can make a difference if enough emails flood into his In-Box, that are against trading Jones. If enough of us do this. We can make a difference. IF enough of us do this, we can at least know we tried to prevent a mistake.
Here is the link A href=”http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/help/email.jsp?c_id=sea&primarySubject=Other&secondarySubject=None&dest=fanfeedback@mariners.mlb.com”>fan feedback
…PLEASE be civil and intelligent. Mr. Churchill if you know a better email address to reach Bavasi with, please do share. I remember a fan care address I emailed, when the Soriano - Ramirez trade happened to complain. But for the Life of me I can’t recall it.
Thanks guys PLEASE email.
The fancare email address is fanfeedback@mariners.mlb.com.
But I would suggest not sending the emails. Howard Lincoln is clearly a cranky piece of work that trumps up otherwise positive emails and turns them into offensive attacks on his character.
From all accounts, Lincoln is a defensive, self-centered, money-hungry ego maniac and has absolutely no business at the helm of the Seattle Mariners.
This organization has been successful, both on the field as well as financially, in spite of him, not because of him.
He thinks I don’t know a single thing, but what he doesn’t know is that I know more than he wishes I did.
If you have a problem with something someone said and wish to address it with them, do you get someone else to do it for you? I guess if you are a pompous, stuck up suit, that’s exactly what you do.
Maybe he just thinks he has much more important things to do than to address issues with an email from a pseudo media member/fan. But if that’s the case, he should just ignore it and stop passing on his “bothered” feelings for others to present for him.
I know about Lincoln. How a man with a lawyer degree has no buisness, micromanaging a baseball team. I have to however know that i got my word out there. Can you believe it? One step away from a ear to ear convo with bavasi. Anyways what does Lincoln say to you?
Lincoln says nothing to me. He got someone else to do it for him.
Bavasi may get the word on the general language of the emails sent his way, but I seriously doubt he’s reading many of them, if any at all.
Truly, he has better things to do right now, and understandably so.
Well,
I respect you more than I ever will him. I sent the email. If you would like to see it let me know. I’d love tips.
Just found out from over at dov why the o’s want sherrill. An o’s insider said they intend to flip either sherrill or jamie walker to the braves for brent lillibridge.
50- That is interesting. I figured the O’s wanted Sherrill as a gap closer.
I’ll send Sherrill for Lillibridge. Let’s bring the Dawg back home.
Sherrill or Walker alone doesn’t get that done.
Not if the Braves are smart.
make no mistake…
howard lincoln wants a good enough team to make a profit.winning is down the list a ways.
(from 2001)
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2001/12/24/daily16.html
Yeah, that’s interesting…
“The club is also reluctant to hand out large contracts because it doesn’t want to tie up too much money on one player.”
That stance has apparently changed at least somewhat.
“If we could have a competitive team for $20 million, I’d do it in a second,” he says. “Bringing the focus that it’s a business, with the expectation that we make money, keeps us from doing some silly things.”
It doesn’t keep you from doing silly things, Howard. You do realize that only a team who would keep players like Jones, Clement,Morrow, Triunfel, Tillman, etc. has any chance of winning on a $20 million payroll. Trading away multiple (3 or 4) cheap commodities on a trade for 1 guy that could near $20 million between the next 2 years even if he doesn’t do as well as some people are hoping.
Aren’t the O’s trying to follow the Mariners mold by adding a little youth but not so much as to not stay competitive? If this deal goes through we could be fueling their own 100+ win season in the next few years, as the Astros fueled ours. People want to keep talking about 01, here ya go…The Mariners won in 2001 because they had supplemented everything else (good FA acquisition) with a starting SS and CF acquired from trades of this type and 31% of the Pitching starts covered by those acquisitions as well. Guillen, Cameron, Garcia and Halama. That team played 1465 innings X 9 positions (13185) and those 4 accounted for 2740 innings on the field (20.78%.) Just over 1/5. Having those 4 at a $4.55 Million total was a huge part of what made the team capable of it’s AL record(s). I could see Oriole fans looking back on the 2010(11,12) Orioles in this same way but the names being Jones, Morrow, Tillman, Sherrill (or some such.) The 2001 Mariners were as good as they were because the FA signings were good and they were on the other end of trades like this Bedard fiasco just a few years before.
Hey guys,
There is a post on USS Mariner comparing the 08′ Mariners to the 07′ Blue Jays. I think it’s a brilliant article and you should read it. It’s just another explanation of why this Bedard trade shouldn’t take place.
If Bavasi guts the M’s by trading Jones, Truinfel, and Morrow, I’m done with being a M’s fan.
Not only will this hurt our present but will devastate the future as well. We’ve endured 2..3 90 plus loss seasons, if we were ONE pitcher away then OK, but we aren’t!
Lincoln and Bavasi must go if the M’s are ever to compete again. I wish the owner would step forward and show he cares about his team and it’s fans.
that article is far from brilliant - read it if you are having trouble sleeping.
I’m starting to think that Jones is not part of the Bedard talks now. I wouldn’t be surprised if Morrow is the new centerpiece to a deal. Evidence:
a) MacPhail demands pitching in return for Bedard, Bavasi claims Morrow is unavailable. Standard media negotiation tactics.
b) Jones is back playing in winter ball
c) the Orioles have been denied Jay Bruce and Felix Pie so far this month. Maybe they’re begining to realize that they’re not getting a CF for what they’ve got.
I think the two teams could be settled on Morrow on Sherill and are still haggling over the third peice in Triunfel or Tillman.
In my mind, trading Morrow does not represent mortgaging the future in the least. With Bedard, the rotation will be locked up until 2010. In 2010, the M’s can simply buy the veteran equivalent of what Morrow would be. #3 starters are easy to get on the open market and the M’s always have money for those. #2 starters are not easy to find and the M’s would be wise to grab this one while they have the chance. If they can do it without giving up Jones, then I’m all for it.
I know what you mean.
I’m not ready to explode yet but I’m getting tired of the suspense.
Prospects aren’t garunteed to succeed but the possibility of what what Jones and company could be is too much to give up, especially for two years of Bedard. I don’t even think Bedard is a #1 starter. Why trade that kind of upside for a #2 guy?
that USSM article is one of the worst I’ve read on there. And that’s saying a lot.
Um, who exactly on the M’s are comparable to Glaus and Frank Thomas? Vernon Wells?
Who is Tornto’s Ichiro?
I can’t find any pitchers on Toronto’s roster that look like Batista, Washburn, or Silva.
The only comparison I can see that’s legit is that both teams have a lack of left-handed bats in the every day lineup.
Besides all of that, if the 2007 Blue Jays played in the 2008 AL West, they’d be right there in the race down to the wire. So, if the 2008 Mariners were indeed like the 2007 Blue Jays, it wouldn’t be the end of the world.
61 - Did you really read the piece on USSM, it was a reaction to what Baker was trying to argue in his blog about the M’s potential success with an acquisition of Bedard. Dave used the same reasoning as Baker did and compared the closest team within that criteria. It wasn’t saying the teams were similar in their makeup or personnel, it was comparing the two teams by their statistical similarities in the categories Baker used to argue for why Bedard could possibly make the M’s team a contender.
Those comparisons were made there, so you’d be better to ask there. I know that the reasons the M’s are looking worse is that we have Vidro instead of Thomas and the defense is worse. The team comparison is pretty accurate and nobody there ever said they were a perfect match. looking for an exact match of any player is pretty nit-picky since there’s no such thing.
Also, if you think the 2007 Jays would would have a chance competing with the 2008 Angels for the AL west, you are crazy. Almost every bat on the 2007 Jays underachieved and their pitching was either lights out or terrible. They were 15-15 against the AL west in 2007. If anything the division has gotten better this year too.
Not the greatest comparison, but he was only trying to show that adding pitchers and having a shutdown bullpen doesn’t really get as far as you would think in the AL.
#59, the Orioles have a gaping hole in CF so you can bet on Jones being part of any Bedard trade…
65 - They can still deal Roberts for Pie and Cendeno…which is that I think the final deal is going to be with those two teams. No one else really has showed interest in Roberts.
the cubs are refusing to include pie in a a roberts deal
Either the GM’s couldn’t agree, or one or the other got cold feet, but I think Jones will play at Safeco in a Mariner uniform this season. As it stands now, I’d bet on it, if Bavasi doesn’t freak out before then!!!! Who knows, maybe all of our emails worked? Maybe he saw the light? Whatever the reason, I think that Jones playing again for Lara is a good sign!! Could Morrow be the centerpiece now? Maybe, but I am ok with that.
wsm,
there is more to comparing units of players than styles and player-for-player matchups.
Look at the two clubs’ abilities to score runs and it’s somewhat similar.
The Orioles have had a gaping hole in CF for years. Of coursethey want to fill it, but if no one will give them a CF, then they’ll just have to go with Corey Patterson again (there have been rumors that they’ve talked to Patterson about bringing him back). And so far they’ve been told they can’t have Pie or Bruce. We’ve been saying for weeks now that the Mariners should tell them they can’t have Jones. Maybe they have.
Maybe talks now are progressing in a different direction. If Baltimore can’t get a CF, they’ll be listening to the next best offers. Morrow, Sherrill, and Triunfel/Tillman could be a better package than what the Reds are putting together.
I don’t buy this new info about the Mets getting in on Bedard either. Santana’s their guy; a deal will get done there. Santana wants to be a Met and the Twins want him in the NL. Bedard is just a decoy.
I know for fact that the Mets aren’t going to give in to the Twins demand of Fernando Martinez AND Carlos Gomez plus two pitching prospects.
So Bedard might be a legit fallback for them.
No, I don’t expect them to give up both guys. I DO expect the Twins to work around that though. I think the Mets are making noise about Bedard to get the Twins to move.
I believe Bedard could be a fallback for the Mets, but only after Santana is dealt elsewhere. It sounds like the Orioles may not be as willing to wait as the Twins are though.
Hard to say who blinks first.
Here is the email I recieved back from FAN CARE
Thanks for your email regarding Erik Bedard and the younger players in our system. It is clear that you are a passionate baseball fan. Our fans make a substantial investment of time, money and emotion in the team, and we recognize that we have to keep earning that support each year. Despite the reports you have heard, let me assure you that we are committed to bringing a World Championship to Seattle. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us and for your passion and your commitment.
Seattle Mariners Fancare
NR
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I doubt Bavasi has read my email at all…Next step…Letter in the mail.
wsm, the latest reports are that the Orioles have stopped asking for Morrow and it seems that they want a package of Jones, Tillman, Triunfel and Sherrill.
74 - I would never ever do that package
Ever. Truinfel AND Jones…Bedard is not even worth Jones alone.
I don’t believe for one second that Bavasi would pull the trigger on a deal that includes Jones, Triunfel, Tillman and Sherrill.
Sherrill just signed his one-year 980k deal by the way. Thanks to George, Sid and Paul for that.
I’m not even sure Bavasi pulls a Jones-Tillman-Sherrill deal.
I hope the Mets step in hard and fast and get a deal….and how
hey edgar..i got the same thing..pretty much..but mine said…save adam jones!…oh well, at any rate…the fans are speaking..and maybe they are listening???
What is up with the Mets CF prospects? They have been hyped like no other the last 3-4 years and the closer they get the bigs, the less shiny they become.
Remember when Milledge was the next coming and considered the best of the best. He fizzled and was dealt for fillers. Gomez then started to rise but seems to have lost his elite status as well since he is no longer in the same league as Adam Jones. Now theres Martinez who most will say is better than Milledge and Gomez put together (exaggeration) but what will happen to him when he gets to AAA then a cup of coffee?
Thinking about it.. its not really even just the OF. Pelfrey and Humber were also supposed to be aces on the rise. Now they are mentioned in all sorts of trade talks. Is NY that much of a hype machine?