Comments on: Pitching, Pitching, Pitching… and a Shortstop http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/ Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:37:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Massimo Casorati http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-786 Massimo Casorati Fri, 25 May 2007 09:04:58 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-786 Where is Triunfel goin'? His numbers at bat are more and more impressive, is shortstop his really best position? Isn't the case to make the switch as D'back have done with Justin Upton? Where is Triunfel goin’?
His numbers at bat are more and more impressive, is shortstop his really best position? Isn’t the case to make the switch as D’back have done with Justin Upton?

]]> By: Jason A. Churchill http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-246 Jason A. Churchill Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:19:56 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-246 Pat, I'm not sure we can blame Hargrove for the Mateo thing this time. If a pitcher is on the roster, he has to be used sometime and if not that early in the game in a 4-0 score... when? Sure, he probably shouldn't even be on the club - he's terrible... just awful. But it's either Mateo or Sean White, and to be honest, White isn't any better and we all know that. Weaver, Mateo and White should be sent packing. Pat,

I’m not sure we can blame Hargrove for the Mateo thing this time. If a pitcher is on the roster, he has to be used sometime and if not that early in the game in a 4-0 score… when?

Sure, he probably shouldn’t even be on the club - he’s terrible… just awful. But it’s either Mateo or Sean White, and to be honest, White isn’t any better and we all know that.

Weaver, Mateo and White should be sent packing.

]]> By: StandinPat http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-245 StandinPat Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:35:40 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-245 And Hargrove directly costs us another game via Julio Mateo. What is his infatuation with this guy? Everytime he does the same thing...comes in with men on and "only" gives up one run. Well one run that is charged to him, he also lets everyone on base come around to score. Every starter that gets yanked for Julio with men on has to be thinking "great! theres another 2 earned runs that'll be charged to me!" If Hargrove had put in almost anyone else and they actually stopped the bleeding 6 runs would have been enough. Anyone else thinks there is a chance Hargrove is better on games? And Hargrove directly costs us another game via Julio Mateo. What is his infatuation with this guy? Everytime he does the same thing…comes in with men on and “only” gives up one run. Well one run that is charged to him, he also lets everyone on base come around to score. Every starter that gets yanked for Julio with men on has to be thinking “great! theres another 2 earned runs that’ll be charged to me!” If Hargrove had put in almost anyone else and they actually stopped the bleeding 6 runs would have been enough. Anyone else thinks there is a chance Hargrove is better on games?

]]> By: Greg07 http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-244 Greg07 Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:11:07 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-244 i see where JJ is coming from...its not the losing thats frustrating me...its the dumb moves and decisions hargrove and bavasi are making...if the had a great GM like Billy Beane and a manager like Bobby Cox, Pinella, or someone of that caliber...i would be happy and the next yr i dont care if the team won 100 games or 70....because its a new beginning and i like the high draft picks LOL so that shows some promise for the future with top prospects if Bavasi doesnt trade them away for some like Spezio. i see where JJ is coming from…its not the losing thats frustrating me…its the dumb moves and decisions hargrove and bavasi are making…if the had a great GM like Billy Beane and a manager like Bobby Cox, Pinella, or someone of that caliber…i would be happy

and the next yr i dont care if the team won 100 games or 70….because its a new beginning

and i like the high draft picks LOL
so that shows some promise for the future with top prospects if Bavasi doesnt trade them away for some like Spezio.

]]> By: Goose http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-243 Goose Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:25:52 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-243 Mowing down the grass eh? Mowing down the grass eh?

]]> By: JJ The Man http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-242 JJ The Man Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:10:57 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-242 You're right. I'll never leave i guess. It just gets so frustrating some times. And it's not the losing. It's the feeling that they have no idea what they're doing. And I would sure miss that game on the radio tomorrow as I'm putzing around the yard. You’re right. I’ll never leave i guess. It just gets so frustrating some times. And it’s not the losing. It’s the feeling that they have no idea what they’re doing. And I would sure miss that game on the radio tomorrow as I’m putzing around the yard.

]]> By: Goose http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-241 Goose Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:00:16 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-241 Oh hell no. I'll never leave. I can't. I've met too many kickass people over the last few years because of the Mariners to leave. Oh and I guess, the whole team being burned into my mind the last 13 years has something to do with that to. Oh hell no. I’ll never leave. I can’t. I’ve met too many kickass people over the last few years because of the Mariners to leave. Oh and I guess, the whole team being burned into my mind the last 13 years has something to do with that to.

]]> By: Jason A. Churchill http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-240 Jason A. Churchill Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:54:03 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-240 Ahh, don't leave, JJ. If you do, you let Chucky and Howie beat you. Can't do that. Stay strong until they are all replaced with more competent people, and we shouldn't have to wait long for Hargrove, and probably not for Bavasi's departure either. Grover is on a week-to-week watch... I'll set the over-under for July 1, but with each bafoon-esque move, that slides up a day or two. By this time next week, that over-under betting line could be May 15. Ahh, don’t leave, JJ. If you do, you let Chucky and Howie beat you. Can’t do that.

Stay strong until they are all replaced with more competent people, and we shouldn’t have to wait long for Hargrove, and probably not for Bavasi’s departure either.

Grover is on a week-to-week watch…

I’ll set the over-under for July 1, but with each bafoon-esque move, that slides up a day or two.

By this time next week, that over-under betting line could be May 15.

]]> By: JJ The Man http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-239 JJ The Man Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:18:14 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-239 I've followed this site for a year or two but have never posted. I come here daily because I am an avid M's fan and love to follow the teams prosects. In the early 90's I worked for one of the Mariners farm teams as an official scorekeeper for the likes of Raul Ibanez, Derek Lowe, Ryan Franklin and (hold your breath) Arquimedez Pozo. Most M's games are on at least one of my TV's and the portable radio in the backyard. I think Shannon Dreyer is the hottest chick in radio and I have never seen a picture of her. I mention this not to show how cool I am but only to exhibit the time and effort I have invested in these guys (although I know it fails in comparison to the time JC and others here have spent following the team.) I'm done. My frustration with this team has past its peak. Why can't someone get a hit when it means something? Why can't any free agent pan out? Why do most (except Felix, all) pitching prospects fail? When will someone see the light and can Bavasi, Hargrove etc. and start over? Do we need Guillen, Ritchie, Washburn, Batista, Weaver, Beltre, Mateo and even Ichiro to lose 90 games? I will follow a team that has a plan to win. Maybe not now, but 2 or 3 years down the road. I will not follow a team whose only goal is to please the 12 year old girl in the stands wearing the just-purchased Ichiro jersey. Thanks for your time. I’ve followed this site for a year or two but have never posted. I come here daily because I am an avid M’s fan and love to follow the teams prosects.

In the early 90’s I worked for one of the Mariners farm teams as an official scorekeeper for the likes of Raul Ibanez, Derek Lowe, Ryan Franklin and (hold your breath) Arquimedez Pozo.

Most M’s games are on at least one of my TV’s and the portable radio in the backyard. I think Shannon Dreyer is the hottest chick in radio and I have never seen a picture of her.

I mention this not to show how cool I am but only to exhibit the time and effort I have invested in these guys (although I know it fails in comparison to the time JC and others here have spent following the team.)

I’m done.

My frustration with this team has past its peak. Why can’t someone get a hit when it means something? Why can’t any free agent pan out? Why do most (except Felix, all) pitching prospects fail?

When will someone see the light and can Bavasi, Hargrove etc. and start over? Do we need Guillen, Ritchie, Washburn, Batista, Weaver, Beltre, Mateo and even Ichiro to lose 90 games?

I will follow a team that has a plan to win. Maybe not now, but 2 or 3 years down the road. I will not follow a team whose only goal is to please the 12 year old girl in the stands wearing the just-purchased Ichiro jersey.

Thanks for your time.

]]> By: Jason A. Churchill http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-238 Jason A. Churchill Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:07:44 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-238 The Stupidity of one Mike Hargrove has gotten out of hand, it really has. It's not new, he did the same crap last year, but how can one individual be so narrow-minded about how to handle a pitching staff? I have to believe that Raffy Chaves is cringing... he's never shown any track record of consisently bad pitching until now, so there is really only one explanation -- bad pitchers and his manager's poor use of them. While I want to rip Grover for Mateo again tonight, it's Bavasi's fault on that one just as much. It wasn't a close game when Julio came in and surrendered what proved to be the run that decided the game, but Mateo is one of three arms that shouldn't even be here, along with Weaver and Sean White. Swap out White for Huber (who cares if you lose him back to ATL), find a way to shed Mateo and DFA Weaver... and so on. The 12-man staff should look as follows: SPs - Felix (DL), Washburn, Ramirez, Batista, Baek (for Felix), Feierabend (for Weaver). RPs - Putz, Reitsma, Sherrill, O'Flaherty, Woods, Huber and Justin Lehr. When Felix comes back, send Lehr back to Tacoma and use Baek in the pen, or send Feier back to Tacoma and keep Lehr in the pen. Feierabend only threw 53 pitches over three frames tonight, too. He may be getting the call, too. The M's may be giving Baek a start on Monday and Feier a start on Tuesday or Wednesday. The Stupidity of one Mike Hargrove has gotten out of hand, it really has. It’s not new, he did the same crap last year, but how can one individual be so narrow-minded about how to handle a pitching staff?

I have to believe that Raffy Chaves is cringing… he’s never shown any track record of consisently bad pitching until now, so there is really only one explanation — bad pitchers and his manager’s poor use of them.

While I want to rip Grover for Mateo again tonight, it’s Bavasi’s fault on that one just as much. It wasn’t a close game when Julio came in and surrendered what proved to be the run that decided the game, but Mateo is one of three arms that shouldn’t even be here, along with Weaver and Sean White.

Swap out White for Huber (who cares if you lose him back to ATL), find a way to shed Mateo and DFA Weaver… and so on.

The 12-man staff should look as follows:
SPs - Felix (DL), Washburn, Ramirez, Batista, Baek (for Felix), Feierabend (for Weaver).

RPs - Putz, Reitsma, Sherrill, O’Flaherty, Woods, Huber and Justin Lehr.

When Felix comes back, send Lehr back to Tacoma and use Baek in the pen, or send Feier back to Tacoma and keep Lehr in the pen.

Feierabend only threw 53 pitches over three frames tonight, too. He may be getting the call, too.

The M’s may be giving Baek a start on Monday and Feier a start on Tuesday or Wednesday.

]]> By: JoshSEVox06 http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-237 JoshSEVox06 Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:38:30 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-237 Eric looked really good tonight Eric looked really good tonight

]]> By: WAB http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-236 WAB Sun, 22 Apr 2007 06:14:38 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-236 What's up with Wlad? What’s up with Wlad?

]]> By: Alex Quante http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-235 Alex Quante Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:45:34 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-235 sorry, html ate the rest of my last post.. A team typically wins a championship in less than 5% of their seasons played. Even the Yankees with their 26 titles have won a title in less than 25% of the years that they played. And that's with them having a payroll that is larger than the GNP of a third-world country. I understand and can appreciate the frustrations that you feel. But, I personally won't allow that to keep me from looking back fondly at 1995 and 2001 regardless of the end result. sorry, html ate the rest of my last post..

A team typically wins a championship in less than 5% of their seasons played. Even the Yankees with their 26 titles have won a title in less than 25% of the years that they played. And that’s with them having a payroll that is larger than the GNP of a third-world country.

I understand and can appreciate the frustrations that you feel. But, I personally won’t allow that to keep me from looking back fondly at 1995 and 2001 regardless of the end result.

]]> By: Alex Quante http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-234 Alex Quante Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:43:20 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-234 Well, if a World Championship is your criteria for being happy with a season, then you're liable to be disappointed the majority of the time (regardless of whatever team you might choose to follow). A team typically wins a championship in Well, if a World Championship is your criteria for being happy with a season, then you’re liable to be disappointed the majority of the time (regardless of whatever team you might choose to follow).

A team typically wins a championship in

]]> By: Goose http://prospectinsider.com/2007/04/19/pitching-pitching-pitching-and-a-shortstop/#comment-233 Goose Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:03:59 +0000 http://prospectinsider.com/?p=30#comment-233 Golden years my ass. Golden years have World Championships attached to them. 95 and 01 were good years, nothing more. I stopped watching today's game after the first, and I'm not gonna bother with tommorrow. At least until Felix comes back, I think I'm gonna spend most of my baseball time watching the D-Backs, and paying attention to Jones/Clement/Butler/Tillman/Triunfel/Tui/Wlad/ect. in the minors. This shit has gotten old. I'm tired of the excuses and the bullshit. I could give a rats ass if they are fighting to keep it close. Win or I don't give a fuck anymore. Golden years my ass.

Golden years have World Championships attached to them. 95 and 01 were good years, nothing more.

I stopped watching today’s game after the first, and I’m not gonna bother with tommorrow. At least until Felix comes back, I think I’m gonna spend most of my baseball time watching the D-Backs, and paying attention to Jones/Clement/Butler/Tillman/Triunfel/Tui/Wlad/ect. in the minors.

This shit has gotten old. I’m tired of the excuses and the bullshit. I could give a rats ass if they are fighting to keep it close. Win or I don’t give a fuck anymore.

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